01-25-2005, 06:09 PM | #61 |
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Eol was a big part of it.
I blame Turgon too.
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i blame feanor, if he hadnt sworn that oath, and been so possessive over his stoopid jools, the dum noldor wouldnay even be in beleriand.
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01-25-2005, 06:16 PM | #63 |
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Hence you're thoughtful poem.
I blame Morgoth too. But Turgon didn't handle that situation well at all. His cousin Finrod would have done a much better job.
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Ingwe would have done the best job, hence his staying in valimar
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Very nice.
But how good a job would he have done with Noldorin subjects? Or would he have just let them go off by themselves?
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are you saying he was insane in the membrane?
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mere speculation, but i believe under his supreme reign within the halls of valinor, all elves would be united as one culture, a wonderful hegemony
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That would be nice. Alas, not everyone is as agreeable as the Vanyar. Hm. Maybe it was a good thing that the pesky Noldor left Valinor... Without them... your dream could definitely have come to pass. Finarfin's practically a Vanya as it is...
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Eol was a jerk, but lets not forget Maeglin while we are busy pointing fingers
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now come on! maeglin had god intentions until he saw idril, if it weren't for eol ensnaring aredhel, maeglin wouldn't even be born, if it weren't for feanor's stoopid oath, aredhel, turgon et al wouldn't even be in beleriand
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well, you should join Beren 300 as a Feanoraphobic
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I have to imagine Maeglin was pretty much psychologically scarred by what happened in Gondolin. His father tries to kill him, but ends up killing his mother instead. Then the uncle he's heard about from his mother decides to throw his dad off a cliff. Only Idril was against the whole thing. Anyone wonder why he fell in love with her? As terrible as Maeglin was... I have to say that he had far more of an "excuse" than someone like Fëanor. And dear Eru, I'm developing sympathies for Maeglin. Someone hit me, please.
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Heck, I can sympathise with Morgoth if I put my mind to it (but never with Curufin! ) What about that linking everything evil in the world back to Fëanor? Want to start a new thread on it?
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