Why Did Elros Choose A Mortal Life? - Page 3

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 12-29-2004, 02:15 PM

Excuse me for being a little simple minded but, I think that Tolkien choose for Elros to become human simply to create a line of men more divine than the men of... lets say the Riddermark. Tolkien wanted Elros and Elrond to be a part of every story basiclly. Furthermore... Númenor needed a great king... so Tolkien gave them Tar-Minyatur... Elros!

Pytt · 12-29-2004, 05:46 PM

Yes, that makes sense, but that is Tolkiens motive for making Elros choose a mortal life.
but why did Elros so, if we see it from his stance?

ItalianLegolas · 12-29-2004, 06:10 PM

maybe it was a sibling rivalry thing

Lenya · 12-30-2004, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

Excuse me for being a little simple minded but, I think that Tolkien choose for Elros to become human simply to create a line of men more divine than the men of... lets say the Riddermark. Tolkien wanted Elros and Elrond to be a part of every story basiclly. Furthermore... Númenor needed a great king... so Tolkien gave them Tar-Minyatur... Elros!

Yes ofcourse. But that's why Tolkien chose it. Why did Elros choose it in Silm? I like the sibling rival thing.

Pytt · 12-30-2004, 12:18 PM

just like I said two posts abow, Lenya. it seems we have a way of saying what the other have already said

ItalianLegolas · 12-31-2004, 12:46 PM

what if there was no reason for it? and it was just a random thing?

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 12-31-2004, 02:39 PM

Does it ever say if Elros was closer to humans than elves in his life? Perhaps it was his fondness for humans that influenced his choice? Or maybe it was an influence of foresight? Whether Elrond had it or both, perhaps it was forseen that Elros would become mortal and therefore he did? I have no idea... it's strange that I would not know when my favorite part of Tolkien lore is Númenor! I guess I should look into this...

Lefty Scaevola · 12-31-2004, 03:58 PM

I think the mortals have better sex. Look at the elves. They are some uniterested in sex that they only have a few children during an inmortal adulthood, they never commit adultery (yep, that is official from JRRT), they never remarry (with one exception), they sometimes spend hundreds of years away from the onlyest spouse.

ItalianLegolas · 12-31-2004, 04:50 PM

that is just a creepy theory...

Minielin · 01-02-2005, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lefty Scaevola

they never remarry (with one exception)

and look how that turned out... all kinds o' resentment...

BeardofPants · 01-02-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lefty Scaevola

I think the mortals have better sex. Look at the elves. They are some uniterested in sex that they only have a few children during an inmortal adulthood, they never commit adultery (yep, that is official from JRRT), they never remarry (with one exception), they sometimes spend hundreds of years away from the onlyest spouse.

Or... it could be that the sex is just so damned amazing, they don't have to have it very often. Aftershocks, anyone?

Minielin · 01-02-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BeardofPants

Or... it could be that the sex is just so damned amazing, they don't have to have it very often. Aftershocks, anyone?

If it was that amazing, wouldn't they just want to do it more often?

ItalianLegolas · 01-03-2005, 04:01 PM

scaryyyyyy...

Beregond · 01-07-2005, 04:20 PM

I just happen to have read about this in the appendixes yesterday and yes he did choose a mortal life.

ItalianLegolas · 01-07-2005, 04:26 PM

i know, thats why i am asking the question WHY?

Lenya · 01-17-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

what if there was no reason for it? and it was just a random thing?

Now way. YOu don't just make a random decision that will change the rest of your life.

As for the whole sex thing, that's a whole new approach

I just don't think Elves are really into physical things.

12-29-2004, 02:15 PM	#41
Halbarad of the Dunedain Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arthedian Posts: 460	Excuse me for being a little simple minded but, I think that Tolkien choose for Elros to become human simply to create a line of men more divine than the men of... lets say the Riddermark. Tolkien wanted Elros and Elrond to be a part of every story basiclly. Furthermore... Númenor needed a great king... so Tolkien gave them Tar-Minyatur... Elros! __________________ "Can you feel her, running through your veins? She will always live forever!" ~ Atreyu [Her portrait in Black] "I want to see pretty people doing ugly things..." ~ Unknown "Damn it n' such!" ~ Stewie Griffen

12-29-2004, 05:46 PM	#42
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	Yes, that makes sense, but that is Tolkiens motive for making Elros choose a mortal life. but why did Elros so, if we see it from his stance? __________________ Don't Panic!

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ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	maybe it was a sibling rivalry thing __________________ What was lost is now found.

12-30-2004, 12:18 PM	#45
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	just like I said two posts abow, Lenya. it seems we have a way of saying what the other have already said __________________ Don't Panic!

12-31-2004, 12:46 PM	#46
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	what if there was no reason for it? and it was just a random thing? __________________ What was lost is now found.

12-31-2004, 02:39 PM	#47
Halbarad of the Dunedain Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arthedian Posts: 460	Does it ever say if Elros was closer to humans than elves in his life? Perhaps it was his fondness for humans that influenced his choice? Or maybe it was an influence of foresight? Whether Elrond had it or both, perhaps it was forseen that Elros would become mortal and therefore he did? I have no idea... it's strange that I would not know when my favorite part of Tolkien lore is Númenor! I guess I should look into this... __________________ "Can you feel her, running through your veins? She will always live forever!" ~ Atreyu [Her portrait in Black] "I want to see pretty people doing ugly things..." ~ Unknown "Damn it n' such!" ~ Stewie Griffen

12-31-2004, 03:58 PM	#48
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	I think the mortals have better sex. Look at the elves. They are some uniterested in sex that they only have a few children during an inmortal adulthood, they never commit adultery (yep, that is official from JRRT), they never remarry (with one exception), they sometimes spend hundreds of years away from the onlyest spouse. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,"

12-31-2004, 04:50 PM	#49
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	that is just a creepy theory... __________________ What was lost is now found.

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ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	scaryyyyyy... __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-07-2005, 04:20 PM	#54
Beregond Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: England Posts: 28	I just happen to have read about this in the appendixes yesterday and yes he did choose a mortal life.

01-07-2005, 04:26 PM	#55
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	i know, thats why i am asking the question WHY? __________________ What was lost is now found.

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