a punk gandalf

afro-elf · 10-11-2001, 07:19 PM

in the trailer it seems to me that gandalf came off as a punk.
the part i am refering to is where he is terrified mumbling " is it safe, is it safe?"

i've got a hard time seeing gandalf so wimpy

ringbearer · 10-11-2001, 08:34 PM

This did not come across as wimpy to me. Desperate is more like it.

afro-elf · 10-11-2001, 10:47 PM

yes your term is more appropriate.

but it still stings of an ungandalfishness ( i think i just coined a word)

***anduin*** · 10-11-2001, 11:11 PM

That part of the trailer kinda wigged me out too. Something about Gandalf didn't seem quite right. It could be the fact that he didn't look as composed as I usually picture him: more in control, like nothing could phase him or cause him to behave (as Ringbearer pointed out) so desperate....except maybe the fear that the ring might be lost!!! Wow! I think I can now live with that image of a haggard Gandalf. (I think we need a light bulb icon.

)

Oh one more thing...it should be interesting to see that scene in it's full context. I want to know how his hair gets so messed up.

Ñólendil · 10-12-2001, 12:35 AM

It was the Farewell Party, obviously. Gandalf had a bit too much to drink and had been up all night. He finally conked out at 6:00 in the morning (in the wine cellar) and had bad dreams about bad men taking Frodo to Bad Land and doing bad things to him in a bad way. So he woke up (it being then midnight), stumbled out the side door, came in the front, gave Frodo a wild look and yelled: 'Is it safe?! Frodo! Tell me it's safe!!'

After which he soiled himself.

afro-elf · 10-12-2001, 08:35 AM

Inodonil

Great

samwise of the shire · 10-16-2001, 04:03 PM

Hey I know! It's that rafter he ran into, maybe it did more damage then we think! Actually I think Gandalf worrying about the Ring adds up to some suspense. After all why should this Wizard be worried about a RING. Either he wants it or he is worried. But WHY is the big question. If he wants it WHY unless it has some hidden power? and if not WHY would he be worried about it unless it was an evil thing? I think it makes sense.
Sam
ps. anyway I like jumping from suprise in theaters

ringbearer · 10-16-2001, 11:21 PM

Gandalf's sole reason for being on Middle Earth is "to contest the power of Sauron"...So, if the Ring is "not safe"...meaning, taken by the Enemy, his mission has failed! If I were Gandalf(Olorin), I would not want to return to Valinor in defeat!

ryan · 10-17-2001, 11:55 PM

perhaps a new change in the plot? Gandalf gives up his wizardly ways to start a middle-earth punk band, "the gandalfs"? Maybe.. mexican punk, or korean rap?.. "the gandalfs go platinum"? Hmmmmmm.

10-11-2001, 07:19 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	a punk gandalf in the trailer it seems to me that gandalf came off as a punk. the part i am refering to is where he is terrified mumbling " is it safe, is it safe?" i've got a hard time seeing gandalf so wimpy __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

10-11-2001, 08:34 PM	#2
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	This did not come across as wimpy to me. Desperate is more like it. __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty!

10-11-2001, 10:47 PM	#3
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	ok ok ok yes your term is more appropriate. but it still stings of an ungandalfishness ( i think i just coined a word) __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

10-11-2001, 11:11 PM	#4
*anduin* Entwife Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: louisville Posts: 3,718	Thought you would show us a pic of him with a mohawk or something. ;) That part of the trailer kinda wigged me out too. Something about Gandalf didn't seem quite right. It could be the fact that he didn't look as composed as I usually picture him: more in control, like nothing could phase him or cause him to behave (as Ringbearer pointed out) so desperate....except maybe the fear that the ring might be lost!!! Wow! I think I can now live with that image of a haggard Gandalf. (I think we need a light bulb icon. ) Oh one more thing...it should be interesting to see that scene in it's full context. I want to know how his hair gets so messed up.

10-12-2001, 12:35 AM	#5
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	It was the Farewell Party, obviously. Gandalf had a bit too much to drink and had been up all night. He finally conked out at 6:00 in the morning (in the wine cellar) and had bad dreams about bad men taking Frodo to Bad Land and doing bad things to him in a bad way. So he woke up (it being then midnight), stumbled out the side door, came in the front, gave Frodo a wild look and yelled: 'Is it safe?! Frodo! Tell me it's safe!!' After which he soiled himself. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

10-12-2001, 08:35 AM	#6
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Inodonil Great __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

10-16-2001, 04:03 PM	#7
samwise of the shire Radically Tolkienited Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: If home is where the heart is, and my heart is in heaven...that should answer your question. <+>< Posts: 967	Hey I know! It's that rafter he ran into, maybe it did more damage then we think! Actually I think Gandalf worrying about the Ring adds up to some suspense. After all why should this Wizard be worried about a RING. Either he wants it or he is worried. But WHY is the big question. If he wants it WHY unless it has some hidden power? and if not WHY would he be worried about it unless it was an evil thing? I think it makes sense. Sam ps. anyway I like jumping from suprise in theaters __________________ Jesus is my all in all <><+<><+<><+<><+<><+<><+ People who are so concerned with escapism do have a name...we call them jailers. ~J.R.R Tolkien Radically Saved, Totally Tolkienited GOD... BLESS... AMERICA... Last edited by samwise of the shire : 10-16-2001 at 04:04 PM.

10-16-2001, 11:21 PM	#8
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	Gandalf's sole reason for being on Middle Earth is "to contest the power of Sauron"...So, if the Ring is "not safe"...meaning, taken by the Enemy, his mission has failed! If I were Gandalf(Olorin), I would not want to return to Valinor in defeat! __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty!

10-17-2001, 11:55 PM	#9
ryan t2t relic Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 531	perhaps a new change in the plot? Gandalf gives up his wizardly ways to start a middle-earth punk band, "the gandalfs"? Maybe.. mexican punk, or korean rap?.. "the gandalfs go platinum"? Hmmmmmm. __________________ "And the Lord spoke, "Send me your money, Empty thine wallets into my pockets my pockets, the pockets of Ryan, Ryan, he who will deliver the money unto me. Then you will truley be happy." And the people followed, and all was well." --Ryan 62:33

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