Whispering and Muttering - Page 2

Willow Oran · 03-02-2004, 12:44 AM

Speaking of mutterings, does anyone else hear the weird and disturbing peek-a-boo games during some of the scenes with the Eye of Sauron? It always sounds to me like it's saying "I see you..." Very strange.

Telcontar · 03-02-2004, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by Willow Oran:
Speaking of mutterings, does anyone else hear the weird and disturbing peek-a-boo games during some of the scenes with the Eye of Sauron? It always sounds to me like it's saying "I see you..." Very strange.

Yes, that's what he (Sauron) says. He feels the presence of the ring and it's wearer once it is put on. Frodo is in the "wraith world" when he puts on the ring, therefore, since Sauron created the wraiths, I believe he is essentially like a wraith and Sauron can "feel" him. Also, Frodo could actually see the ghoulish figures of the wraiths when he had the ring on at Weathertop.

Thinking of all this, I guess the palantir is sort of like it too since Sauron uses it as a communication device (i.e. - corrupted Saruman, weakened Denethor). Remember when Pippin's thoughts were read by Sauron? Basically, you just don't want to mess with that guy!

Tuor of Gondolin · 03-02-2004, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Telcontar
"I guess the palantir is sort of like it too since Sauron uses it as a communication device (i.e. - corrupted Saruman, weakened Denethor). Remember when Pippin's thoughts were read by Sauron?"
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But not essentially evil, like the Ring, since the Palantiri were made in Eldamar (by Feanor?) and were the rightful property of the Heirs of Isildur. But, of course, against a maia only Telcontar (at a distance) was able to take possession of one away from Sauron.

Starr Polish · 03-02-2004, 04:30 PM

Hey, Nurvingiel! I know a lot of Sam fans who ARENT slash fans that were dying to hear that as well. So...phht.

Boromir's whispery "Why do you recoil? I am no thief!" confused me the first couple of times I saw the movie. I always heard "Why do you recoil your hand you thief?" and that made no sense to me.

Also...Saruman's "All we have to do is remove those who oppose us" sounded like "All we have to do is remove those who are posers." I swear, I usually have good hearing. Meh...these deserve to go in the "Who am I gambling" thread at CoE. LoL.

Telcontar · 03-03-2004, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin:
But not essentially evil, like the Ring, since the Palantiri were made in Eldamar (by Feanor?) and were the rightful property of the Heirs of Isildur. But, of course, against a maia only Telcontar (at a distance) was able to take possession of one away from Sauron.

I agree, the ring was much more evil. I was not clear when stating that the palantir was used as a communication device. I meant to say that Sauron had more than one way to "see" someone; either from anyone who put on the ring, or anyone who glared into the palantir.

And yes, you were correct, Feanor did create the Palantiri as well as the Silmarils.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 03-09-2004, 09:55 PM

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YES! The Ring DOES do that a lot in the first movie, doesn't it... at Bag End, Rivendell, etc. And I can't make out a word it's saying!

Thanks for the tip about the subtitles... I'll try that next time. Sorry if I seem like a dweeb to have not known that, but I really don't have too many dvd's... the two LotR's and some kid's videos is all, none of which I have watched a whole lot - and have never really explored all the options.

in rivendell, the ring says
'Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul'
which is black speech for one ring to rule them all, etc etc

Artanis · 03-10-2004, 04:43 AM

Can anyone tell what Theoden mumbles before he organises his troops at the Pelennor? They have just arrived at the battlefield, and they get a good view of the forces of the enemy. Then Theoden says something to himself, only one word I think. What?

Grey_Wolf · 03-10-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Can anyone tell what Theoden mumbles before he organises his troops at the Pelennor? They have just arrived at the battlefield, and they get a good view of the forces of the enemy. Then Theoden says something to himself, only one word I think. What?

Doesn't he and Eomer do a "Braveheart".

"We will fight for our....

...................FREEDOM!!!"

03-02-2004, 12:44 AM	#21
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	Speaking of mutterings, does anyone else hear the weird and disturbing peek-a-boo games during some of the scenes with the Eye of Sauron? It always sounds to me like it's saying "I see you..." Very strange. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

03-02-2004, 10:13 AM	#23
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Originally posted by Telcontar "I guess the palantir is sort of like it too since Sauron uses it as a communication device (i.e. - corrupted Saruman, weakened Denethor). Remember when Pippin's thoughts were read by Sauron?" __________________________________ But not essentially evil, like the Ring, since the Palantiri were made in Eldamar (by Feanor?) and were the rightful property of the Heirs of Isildur. But, of course, against a maia only Telcontar (at a distance) was able to take possession of one away from Sauron. __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

03-02-2004, 04:30 PM	#24
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Hey, Nurvingiel! I know a lot of Sam fans who ARENT slash fans that were dying to hear that as well. So...phht. Boromir's whispery "Why do you recoil? I am no thief!" confused me the first couple of times I saw the movie. I always heard "Why do you recoil your hand you thief?" and that made no sense to me. Also...Saruman's "All we have to do is remove those who oppose us" sounded like "All we have to do is remove those who are posers." I swear, I usually have good hearing. Meh...these deserve to go in the "Who am I gambling" thread at CoE. LoL. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

03-10-2004, 04:43 AM	#27
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Can anyone tell what Theoden mumbles before he organises his troops at the Pelennor? They have just arrived at the battlefield, and they get a good view of the forces of the enemy. Then Theoden says something to himself, only one word I think. What? __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.