What if.........

[Turgon_Turambar]

Here is a thread for if you can think of any what ifs...

Heres mine: What if somehow tuor had died ( i dont know, falled from a cliff and broken his neck?) and Earendil wasnt born would the Valar still have come?

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Turgon_Turambar
Here is a thread for if you can think of any what ifs...

Heres mine: What if somehow tuor had died ( i dont know, falled from a cliff and broken his neck?) and Earendil wasnt born would the Valar still have come?

Are we supposed to speculate on the 'what ifs' and then post ours?

[Turgon_Turambar]

yeh its not really about answering other peoples what ifs.. its jus about getting people thinkin and speculating about what ifs...

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Turgon_Turambar
Here is a thread for if you can think of any what ifs...

Heres mine: What if somehow tuor had died ( i dont know, falled from a cliff and broken his neck?) and Earendil wasnt born would the Valar still have come?

They may have still came, because Ulmo was around, and remember that it says that the Valar did not utterly forsake the Exiles.

Okay, what if the Noldor had not killed the Teleri and just built their own ships to sail to Middle-earth in? Would have saved them that long walk across the ice.

[Falagar]

Or what if the Teleri had lendt them the ships? Or if Fëanor had decided to send ships back to Fingolfin? The host would have been united (and in the first case no curse of Mandos) and much greater (no loss because of no crossing of Araman).
Now that could have threatend the Morgoth.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Falagar
Or what if the Teleri had lendt them the ships? Or if Fëanor had decided to send ships back to Fingolfin? The host would have been united (and in the first case no curse of Mandos) and much greater (no loss because of no crossing of Araman).
Now that could have threatend the Morgoth.

Yep, and would have made for a very boring story.

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Yep, and would have made for a very boring story.

Ypou can't really know; Morgoth, I believe, would've still won. And then it would be interesting, but totally different than what happened.

What about - 'What if the Valar didn't release Morgoth?' or - what if the council of Elrond decided to give the ring to Bombadil?

There are thousands of good 'what if's.

[Turgon_Turambar]

What if Sauron had been destroyed utterly during the war of wrath at the end of the first age...just say him and Eonwe had an awesome 1 on 1 and Saurons spirit was banished to the void, it would have been a VERY peaceful second and third age.

OOOOORRRRRR what if the Numenoreans had successfully invaded Valinor and made the Valar their slaves?????

[Lord Manafirogh]

What If Feanor hadnt die so early and lived until the 5th battle and the eastelings didnt betray Maedhros or didnt even get involved. would the allies have won with out the valar? What would have morgoth done?? come out himself like sauron did in the second age?

[Turgon_Turambar]

I stick to my beleif that it would have been worse for the Noldor if Feanor had survived longer because he would have gone to any lenghts, sacrifice too much to get his hands on the silmarils.

lucky he died early.

[Dúnedain]

Here is a good one:

What if the line of Elendil died off over the years when it was thought it actually did...

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by Dunedain
What if the line of Elendil died off over the years when it was thought it actually did...
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This might not have been as "finally" disastrous as it might seem.
1) Bilbo still finds the Ring.
2) Gandalf still organizes and encourages resistance (without beating anyone up).
3) There are still rangers in the north.
4) Fellowship still could be set up.

Gondor and/or Rohan might be overrun, but, in a way, that might help the quest. Sort of like a blitz in football drawing in defenders for a screen pass, Sauron's boys would be drawn further and further away from Mordor deep into Eriador. If before Sauron's attack Frodo, nice Smeagol, and the fat hobbit had slipped to the borders of Mordor they might have a better chance to succeed.

(And maybe Faramir goes to Rivendell. He and Arwen hit it off in Rivendell, , and later Eowyn meets Boromir.....well, it's a thought).

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin
Originally posted by Dunedain
What if the line of Elendil died off over the years when it was thought it actually did...
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This might not have been as "finally" disastrous as it might seem.
1) Bilbo still finds the Ring.
2) Gandalf still organizes and encourages resistance (without beating anyone up).
3) There are still rangers in the north.
4) Fellowship still could be set up.

Gondor and/or Rohan might be overrun, but, in a way, that might help the quest. Sort of like a blitz in football drawing in defenders for a screen pass, Sauron's boys would be drawn further and further away from Mordor deep into Eriador. If before Sauron's attack Frodo, nice Smeagol, and the fat hobbit had slipped to the borders of Mordor they might have a better chance to succeed.

(And maybe Faramir goes to Rivendell. He and Arwen hit it off in Rivendell, , and later Eowyn meets Boromir.....well, it's a thought).

You're forgetting how important Aragorn was to helping Frodo achieve his quest...

[Tuor of Gondolin]

But in the above scenario Faramir would be sort of a surrogate for Aragorn (granted a weaker one). After all, Faramir was "a wizard's pupil."

[Lord Manafirogh]

First of all the hobbits would have died if aragorn wasn't born, when the wraiths attacked and aragorn defended. Unless like u say faramir stood in place of Aragorn. But faramir would have to be heir of Isuldur other wise he would have not been able to summon the dead and minas tirith would have been overthrown sooner or later, then frodo would have been captured and kill with sam because they'd be no distraction, so unless a numenorian there wouldnt be much a chance. Wait a minute actually there would have been an army of the dead because even isuldur woulnd't have been born. (i dont want all that writing to go to waste thats why i didnt delete them) it would be the end with out the line of Elendil.

[Lord Manafirogh]

what if the easterling didnt betray the elves and men of dor-lomin in the 5th battle would they have really overthrown morgoth and drive him back? And wot sort of army does it take to seige angband? how big exatly was the army of the elves and men in the 5th battle? any1 know??

[Falagar]

Another interesting point: What had happend if Faramir had been sent to Rivendell and accompanied the Ring instead of Boromir?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Originally posted by Falagar
Another interesting point: What had happend if Faramir had been sent to Rivendell and accompanied the Ring instead of Boromir?
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Interesting. Frodo had independently come to realize he had to go alone to Mordor. The scenario could have been played out essentially the same. The camp would be attacked with the Fellowship intact but for Frodo, Sam goes after him, the nassty orcsees (I mean the nasty orcs) seperate the Fellowship and capture Merry and Pippin. But how would JRRT have handled Faramir? Killed? Wounded? Goes to Rohan or Gondor while the Three Hunters go after Merry and Pippin, or, if uninjured, accompany them? Perhaps most interesting would be his being fairly seriously wounded, having to leave the three to get aid at Edoras, and there becoming involved in Rohan politics (i. e, Wormtongue) and with Eowyn.
And remember. Faramir was the preferred envoy by the valar or Iluvatar (whoever sent the dreams).

[Ruinel]

What if Tuor of Gondolin had never created this thread.