01-03-2004, 02:30 PM | #21 | |
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The first time I saw it, there were no subtitles, and I couldn't hear the Elvish because halfway through the scene the person next to me leaned over and said, loudly, "What did he say?" By the time I could hear, all I caught was, "Estel anin," and it wasn't enough to remind me of Gilraen. The second time I saw it, there were subtitles, but by that point I'd already found out from Entmoot, from people who heard/ had subtitles, what was said. Do the subtitles really say " . . . . to the world? Shouldn't it be "to men?" Among other nitpicky details . . . I don't remember exactly what the subtitles said, though.
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01-04-2004, 01:35 AM | #22 | |
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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01-24-2004, 06:16 PM | #23 | |
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Re: GONDORIANS!
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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01-24-2004, 11:15 PM | #24 | |
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HA! I just found a quote by Tolkien himself where he used the word "Gondorians". This is him talking about the sequel he started to Lord of the Rings, but ended it after about 10 pages:
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01-25-2004, 08:07 PM | #25 |
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I love your tactful and adult way of putting things "you clearly have no idea what you're talking about...". Are you thinking about having a career in diplomacy? I've read all of Tolkien's works (several, several, several times) and associated writings extensively for the last 15/16 years. Also a very active member of the Tolkien Society in the UK..so..... I guess a know somethings.. The point I was trying to make, which seems to have got your ire, is that I don't believe Jackson et al. actually referenced Tolkien when they came up with Gondorians and Rohans I think it was there own mutation and I THINK it cames across as distateful and out of context. I don't believe Tolken, in prose, would have coined such a phrase - sure he discussed it in conjecture when he spoke about "Return of the Shadow". I was MERELY canvassing peoples views on it, not trying to get peoples goad. So I guess what I'm saying is, make your point or by all means disagree but try to be mature in doing it and don't cause unnecessary offense (which you did) in a forum of friends or mutual admirers of this great work.
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01-25-2004, 08:11 PM | #26 | |
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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01-25-2004, 08:17 PM | #27 |
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Erm.. invalid... how can I be debasing my own theory (actually it was an opinion!) when I freely admit to speculating about some of the factors that go into it? Note use of "I THINK" etc. etc. If you want to continue this thread, shall we go onto a cod-philosophy talker and discuss?
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01-27-2004, 08:39 PM | #28 | ||
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So are you guys saying that in some theatrical showings, there were no subtitles for the elvish parts? The only time I missed a subtitle was in RotK when Eowyn gives a (welcome?) cup to Aragorn to drink. She says something in Rohirric (?), like Aragorn Westu-hal, but it is not subtitled. Perhaps Jackson never meant to have a subtitle there anyway.
It seems odd that it would be inconsistent elsewhere.
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