Nazgul at the Pelennor

Agburanar · 11-20-2002, 05:02 AM

Was the Witch King the only one of the Ringwraiths at the battle of the Pelennor fields? If so, where were the others?

Dunadan · 11-20-2002, 05:12 AM

As far as I can remember, the Witch-king was the only one who is specifically mentioned as entering the fray. I presume the others were abroad in the air, spreading terror hither and thither.

Since their primary weapon was fear, they'd be more effective in that way, I guess.

Lefty Scaevola · 11-20-2002, 10:40 AM

The Lieutennat of Minas Morgal, most probably a Nazgul (?Khamul was the name?), took over command after Angmar bit Eowyn's sword.

Lollypopgurl · 11-20-2002, 11:06 PM

Question: Is the name of the Witch King Angmar? Or was that just their realm in the north earlier in time?

Mirahzi · 11-20-2002, 11:25 PM

The Nazgul lord is never given a proper name, although their have been several theories. Angmar only refers to the realm of the Witch King.

Lefty Scaevola · 11-20-2002, 11:33 PM

He is more than once (in the annals IIRC) called Angmar, but that is almost certainly not a real name for him, just a epithet . In aristocratic parlance, it it common to refer to a lord by the name of one of his reals, without even attaching Earl of X or Duke of X in front, just the name of the fief or land. Calling the Earl of Gloucester just Gloucester, rather than Earl of Gloucester or Richard Plantagenet.

Ñólendil · 11-21-2002, 11:23 PM

What are the annals IIRC? I have never read of the Witchking of Angmar being called Angmar.

The Lieutenant of Minas Morgul -- who or whatever he is -- is named Gothmog, not Khamûl.

Lefty Scaevola · 11-22-2002, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ñólendil
What are the annals IIRC? I have never read of the Witchking of Angmar being called Angmar.

The Lieutenant of Minas Morgul- is named Gothmog, not Khamûl.

Yep, Khamul is the Nazgul who was in charge of Dol Guldar for much of 3rd age, not the Lt of Morgul.
Annals = generic term for chronilogical historical outline listed by years, such as several parts of appendix A to LoTR
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly.

In this case I do not appear to have recalled correctly. Using the Index for Angmar, all its uses in the Text or appedicies are either geographic, or with indicating the Lord of the Nazgul, used with "King of" or "Witchking of"

Agburanar · 11-22-2002, 07:28 AM

But surely the sheer scale of the battle of the Pelennor would have merited a few more Nazgul being present? Was Sauron really too short sighted to post one or two to watch over Rohan, or was there some other important task they had to do?

durin's bane · 11-22-2002, 06:27 PM

The Witch King was the only Nazgul I know that was present. But I do believe that there had to be at least two more there as well.

Lefty Scaevola · 11-22-2002, 08:41 PM

We know that there were 5 flying Nazgul over the Pelenor Fields on march 10, 5 days before the climax on the Pelenor Fields.

The Lady of Ithilien · 11-23-2002, 08:52 PM

Hmmmm -- where'd the other four go after that?

Frodo and Sam saw one in Cirith Ungol on the 15th, the same day Angmar learned his last lesson: not to mess with a hobbit and a woman

and, I think, before the Nazgul King's passing. So there's one of them definitely located. Maybe it was that one, or perhaps there were more than one, who remained in Minas Morgul after the army left it. Frodo and Sam saw that there was still a watchful evilness in the city, even though it was now dark.

Perhaps the others were with Sauron's other armies, at the Morannon, as well as out in the field in Anorien, with the orcs that invaded Rohan or attacked Lorien and Dale, and even at Pelargir with the Corsair fleet?

11-20-2002, 05:02 AM	#1
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Nazgul at the Pelennor Was the Witch King the only one of the Ringwraiths at the battle of the Pelennor fields? If so, where were the others? __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

11-20-2002, 05:12 AM	#2
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Good question As far as I can remember, the Witch-king was the only one who is specifically mentioned as entering the fray. I presume the others were abroad in the air, spreading terror hither and thither. Since their primary weapon was fear, they'd be more effective in that way, I guess.

11-20-2002, 10:40 AM	#3
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	The Lieutennat of Minas Morgal, most probably a Nazgul (?Khamul was the name?), took over command after Angmar bit Eowyn's sword. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,"

11-20-2002, 11:06 PM	#4
Lollypopgurl Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 222	Question: Is the name of the Witch King Angmar? Or was that just their realm in the north earlier in time? __________________ a violinist...

11-20-2002, 11:25 PM	#5
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	The Nazgul lord is never given a proper name, although their have been several theories. Angmar only refers to the realm of the Witch King. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

11-20-2002, 11:33 PM	#6
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	He is more than once (in the annals IIRC) called Angmar, but that is almost certainly not a real name for him, just a epithet . In aristocratic parlance, it it common to refer to a lord by the name of one of his reals, without even attaching Earl of X or Duke of X in front, just the name of the fief or land. Calling the Earl of Gloucester just Gloucester, rather than Earl of Gloucester or Richard Plantagenet. Last edited by Lefty Scaevola : 11-22-2002 at 12:00 AM.

11-21-2002, 11:23 PM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	What are the annals IIRC? I have never read of the Witchking of Angmar being called Angmar. The Lieutenant of Minas Morgul -- who or whatever he is -- is named Gothmog, not Khamûl. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-22-2002, 07:28 AM	#9
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	But surely the sheer scale of the battle of the Pelennor would have merited a few more Nazgul being present? Was Sauron really too short sighted to post one or two to watch over Rohan, or was there some other important task they had to do? __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

11-22-2002, 06:27 PM	#10
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	The Witch King was the only Nazgul I know that was present. But I do believe that there had to be at least two more there as well. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

11-22-2002, 08:41 PM	#11
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	We know that there were 5 flying Nazgul over the Pelenor Fields on march 10, 5 days before the climax on the Pelenor Fields.

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