Egypt is the origin of Christianity, Judaism & Islam

The Telcontarion · 06-20-2006, 11:35 AM

http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd7/...iInterview.mp3

Listen to this audio link above before you reply!!!

Or check out his website at:

http://www.ossama-alsaadawi.com/_private/Opinions.htm

(edited to replace with link from below)

As you see in topic, I firmly believe Egypt is the origin of christianity and the kings of egypt are the famous names from the bible eg. Aaron, moses, Noah and Abraham was the founding king of egypt; the were not pagans at all, the were the first Monotheist. Jesus was Osiris!!!

hectorberlioz · 06-20-2006, 12:07 PM

You could join in the discussions in the "Da Vinci" thread in the lit forum...

inked · 06-20-2006, 12:21 PM

This theory gets recycled ever so often, Tel. There were many dying and rising gods. Osiris is just one.

But the God of Abraham called him out of Ur of the Chaldees and he migrated.
His descendants sojourned in Egypt and were made slaves and delivered. No doubt they had heard of Egyptian gods.

But derivation is another process entirely.

It wasn't Osirus who plagued the Egyptians and freed the Hebrews. It was "I AM".

The Telcontarion · 06-20-2006, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

This theory gets recycled ever so often, Tel. There were many dying and rising gods. Osiris is just one.

But the God of Abraham called him out of Ur of the Chaldees and he migrated.
His descendants sojourned in Egypt and were made slaves and delivered. No doubt they had heard of Egyptian gods.

But derivation is another process entirely.

It wasn't Osirus who plagued the Egyptians and freed the Hebrews. It was "I AM".

You are the one recycling things you have heard before, without any research done. From what you have said I know you did not even listen to the audio or look at the site. Abrahams children I believe to be the pharoahs of egypt. Look at the evidence given please. Thank you.

Also, I have never heard this "theory" (which it is not, since it is the proper translations of the gliphs, not opinions) anywhere else, ever.

The Telcontarion · 06-20-2006, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

You could join in the discussions in the "Da Vinci" thread in the lit forum...

I think not, the De Vinci code is irrelvant; it's a smoke screen sack of garbage. Though I do believe jesus did marry and have children, after all most pharoahs had queens

I want this topic to be specific on the subject of egypt.

Elfhelm · 06-20-2006, 02:45 PM

Linear B

Insidious Rex · 06-20-2006, 02:50 PM

If your contention that christianity/judeaism has its roots in older religions then no kidding. Archetypes are irresistible to the human psyche.

Elfhelm · 06-20-2006, 03:05 PM

The page won't open for me, but no doubt they are talking about Akhenaton (not sure of the transliteration) and his monotheism. I mention Linear B because it is the writing system that existed at the same time in Syria, and there are clay tablets that have been translated (through great effort!) that have pre-biblical materials. And this is far removed from Egypt. So any theory that doesn't include Syria is only partial, IMHO.

The Telcontarion · 06-20-2006, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

If your contention that christianity/judeaism has its roots in older religions then no kidding. Archetypes are irresistible to the human psyche.

Well the significance of it being so is that christianity was suppose to be a direct result of jesus, starting around 2000 years ago. If I am right then everything we know about christianity is a lie and it is a copy of something older, I believe it is the egyptian religion. Also if it is the egyptian religion, then there is a big conspiracy to hide it as we believe now that they were pagans, where the hell did these opinions and ideas come from. And who would have the motive to do this thing, to orchestrate such a lie.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elfhelm

The page won't open for me, but no doubt they are talking about Akhenaton (not sure of the transliteration) and his monotheism. I mention Linear B because it is the writing system that existed at the same time in Syria, and there are clay tablets that have been translated (through great effort!) that have pre-biblical materials. And this is far removed from Egypt. So any theory that doesn't include Syria is only partial, IMHO.

It loaded easily for me just now, however earlier it gave a little trouble. Just keep reloading the page, it will go through.

Akhenaton, is not mentioned here at all sir; all that is just another smoke screen. Again, I also gave you a link to the site.

**Nurvingiel** · 06-20-2006, 03:27 PM

Darn it, I don't think this computer has the metaphorical cajones to open your link.

But... Jesus wasn't Egyptian... *is confused*

The Telcontarion · 06-20-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Darn it, I don't think this computer has the metaphorical cajones to open your link.

But... Jesus wasn't Egyptian... *is confused*

You could also right click and download it to your computer.

Spock · 06-25-2006, 10:46 AM

Ah, a decent nights sleep and some pleasant topics on CBS Sunday Morning has carried me past the deadline by about 2 hrs.

NOW OPEN FOR BUSINESS

KEEP IT CIVIL or risk closure again.

Elfhelm · 06-20-2006, 03:35 PM

Or maybe they call him Amenhotep IV, the father of Tutenkamen, whose mother was Nefertitti?

King Tut erased the history books of all record of his father.

The Habiri were brigands of that period in Syria. Amenhotep lost control of the region.

The father god of polytheistic Canaan was Yahweh.

The process by which one god worship takes over in a polytheistic culture is not uncommon throughout the world. It is usually done by conversion at sword point.

The Canaanites were slaughtered in 1200 BC or so, not long after King Tut died.

The gods of Canaan who were no longer worshipped were turned into demons or angels.

Needless to say, a host of immoralities were blamed on the people who were slaughtered, and the revised history became the accepted truth.

That's where Yahweh "came from".

The Telcontarion · 06-20-2006, 03:55 PM

First of all, Nefertitti is not an egyptian name, her real name was in fact maryam; the mother of Mary mother of jesus. Mary even today is a common egytian name. Google "virgin and child" then "Isis and Horus," go images and you will see an instant connection.

All these egyptian names that you have heard are false, practically made up.

Again, read the site or right click and download the linked file to your computer or control click if you have a mac. Below is another very helpful link on the site, better than the others I have given!!!

http://www.ossama-alsaadawi.com/_private/Opinions.htm

Elfhelm · 06-22-2006, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd7/...iInterview.mp3

Listen to this audio link above before you reply!!!

Or check out his website at:

http://www.ossama-alsaadawi.com/_private/Opinions.htm

(edited to replace with link from below)

As you see in topic, I firmly believe Egypt is the origin of christianity and the kings of egypt are the famous names from the bible eg. Aaron, moses, Noah and Abraham was the founding king of egypt; the were not pagans at all, the were the first Monotheist. Jesus was Osiris!!!

Ossama Alsaadawi is the person you quoted in the first post on this thread. Now you deny it? Good grief. What are you playing at?

The Telcontarion · 06-22-2006, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elfhelm

Ossama Alsaadawi is the person you quoted in the first post on this thread. Now you deny it? Good grief. What are you playing at?

You know full well what I mean. I mentioned before that there are forums on his site where he debates other egyptologists; what you posted is excerpt of it, taken out of context.

Where is your independent information of this issue besides what I have posted. Did, or did you not get this from the forum I am talking about or do I have to post the link here!!!!! What, your trying to be clever, play word games with a writer is a dangerous profession my friend, as you should well know by now.(please try not to insult my intelligence further)

The Telcontarion · 06-22-2006, 07:06 PM

You still have not responded to my PM!!

Elfhelm · 06-22-2006, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

...play word games with a writer is a dangerous profession my friend...

I didn't play any word games. Where were you published?

Elfhelm · 06-22-2006, 07:21 PM

Here is a link to some of de Greef's own work. This is what I call scholarly.
http://www.catchpenny.org/thoth/3arch.htm

The Telcontarion · 06-22-2006, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elfhelm

Here is a link to some of de Greef's own work. This is what I call scholarly.
http://www.catchpenny.org/thoth/3arch.htm

Is this the best you can do?

Again, why don't you post the whole forum...or should I?

06-20-2006, 11:35 AM	#1
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	Egypt is the origin of Christianity, Judaism & Islam http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd7/...iInterview.mp3 Listen to this audio link above before you reply!!! Or check out his website at: http://www.ossama-alsaadawi.com/_private/Opinions.htm (edited to replace with link from below) As you see in topic, I firmly believe Egypt is the origin of christianity and the kings of egypt are the famous names from the bible eg. Aaron, moses, Noah and Abraham was the founding king of egypt; the were not pagans at all, the were the first Monotheist. Jesus was Osiris!!! __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; Last edited by The Telcontarion : 06-20-2006 at 04:43 PM.

06-20-2006, 12:07 PM	#2
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06-20-2006, 12:21 PM	#3
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	This theory gets recycled ever so often, Tel. There were many dying and rising gods. Osiris is just one. But the God of Abraham called him out of Ur of the Chaldees and he migrated. His descendants sojourned in Egypt and were made slaves and delivered. No doubt they had heard of Egyptian gods. But derivation is another process entirely. It wasn't Osirus who plagued the Egyptians and freed the Hebrews. It was "I AM". __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

06-20-2006, 02:50 PM	#7
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	If your contention that christianity/judeaism has its roots in older religions then no kidding. Archetypes are irresistible to the human psyche. __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

06-25-2006, 10:46 AM	#12
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Ok Back To The Topic Ah, a decent nights sleep and some pleasant topics on CBS Sunday Morning has carried me past the deadline by about 2 hrs. NOW OPEN FOR BUSINESS KEEP IT CIVIL or risk closure again. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 06-25-2006 at 10:48 AM.

06-20-2006, 02:45 PM	#6
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Linear B

06-20-2006, 03:05 PM	#8
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	The page won't open for me, but no doubt they are talking about Akhenaton (not sure of the transliteration) and his monotheism. I mention Linear B because it is the writing system that existed at the same time in Syria, and there are clay tablets that have been translated (through great effort!) that have pre-biblical materials. And this is far removed from Egypt. So any theory that doesn't include Syria is only partial, IMHO.

06-20-2006, 03:35 PM	#13
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Or maybe they call him Amenhotep IV, the father of Tutenkamen, whose mother was Nefertitti? King Tut erased the history books of all record of his father. The Habiri were brigands of that period in Syria. Amenhotep lost control of the region. The father god of polytheistic Canaan was Yahweh. The process by which one god worship takes over in a polytheistic culture is not uncommon throughout the world. It is usually done by conversion at sword point. The Canaanites were slaughtered in 1200 BC or so, not long after King Tut died. The gods of Canaan who were no longer worshipped were turned into demons or angels. Needless to say, a host of immoralities were blamed on the people who were slaughtered, and the revised history became the accepted truth. That's where Yahweh "came from".

06-20-2006, 03:55 PM	#14
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	First of all, Nefertitti is not an egyptian name, her real name was in fact maryam; the mother of Mary mother of jesus. Mary even today is a common egytian name. Google "virgin and child" then "Isis and Horus," go images and you will see an instant connection. All these egyptian names that you have heard are false, practically made up. Again, read the site or right click and download the linked file to your computer or control click if you have a mac. Below is another very helpful link on the site, better than the others I have given!!! http://www.ossama-alsaadawi.com/_private/Opinions.htm __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

06-22-2006, 07:06 PM	#17
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	You still have not responded to my PM!! __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

06-22-2006, 07:21 PM	#19
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Here is a link to some of de Greef's own work. This is what I call scholarly. http://www.catchpenny.org/thoth/3arch.htm

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