The Prophecy...?

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

As we all know there is a Prophecy in Star Wars that states that there will be a one that will have the power to bring the force into balance. Qui-Gon Jinn beleived this one was Anakin Skywalker, with the highest meteclorian count ever charted it seems plausable. A Human with more "force" in him than even Yoda himself. My question pretains to the idea of balanced. What exactlly is balance to George Lucas? There was a center for Jedi and the training of almost an army of Jedi. Where as the Sith were supposedly two, no more no less. Although I don't feel this is true as during the apprenticship of Darth Maul Count Dooku must have also been in the service of the sith, creating a paradox of three Sith at one time at least. However, that fact aside, there should only be two, master and aprentice. So, what balance is needed? The destruction of the Jedi till there is only two left? Wouldn't that be balanced?
Within the films we see Darth Vader return to Anakin Skywalker and destroy Darth Sideous creating an equality one Jedi one Sith; Luke and Vader. Then Luke watches Vader die and so the force is still unbalanced! This idea really boogles my mind because it never actually works! Any ideas on the whole Prophecy thing!?

[Elessar the Elfstone]

I think Different people see the prophacy in different ways Qui gon and the other jedi thought the chosen one bringing the force into balance would mean something like turning the world into some type of utopia where the force is one with everybody.

but what it really meant was the force was unbalanced because there were 100's of jedi and only two sith so anikain balaces the force by becoming Darth Vader and wiping out all but two jedi Obi Wan and yoda here by forfilling the prophacy.

[Lief Erikson]

Here's one more opinion on the subject.

The Emperor is the imbalance. Destroying this vast evil is what brings balance to the Force.

Look at the Emperor's Force power. It is so great that it can, as Yoda puts it, "blind" the entire Jedi Order.

The Emperor is the most mysterious character in the Star Wars series, thus far. We know nothing about his origins: how he became such an astounding Sith Lord and such. Also, it would be useful to look at his brains. He is an incredibly clever man. His strategies are supremely cunning. He would have destroyed the rebels at Endor if not for circumstances beyond his control (the Ewoks). If Luke had sensed his friends dying, it is possible that he would have been more inclined to turn to the Dark Side as well.

I'm describing what an incredible individual Palpatine was in order to support my argument that he is the imbalance. He is one of the characters I really, really enjoy in the Star Wars series, though.

However, I will admit that there can certainly be more then one opinion on this. I've just stated mine .

[Lenya]

Did you guyz know that there are actually 9 movies in the saga, and that 7 - 9 has already been made? I don't know if they intend to show them, but I really hope so.

[BeardofPants]

Wrong. Lucas has not made, nor has no plans to make the star wars sequels. They have NOT been made.

[Elessar the Elfstone]

Lucus did once say it would be fun to come back in 10 years and make 7 8 and 9. I also remember watching the bonus DVD in the trilogy boxset and Mark Hamil said he would of liked to do more but then lucus said he isn't going to because it wouls mean writing a completly new story. he only did 1 2 and 3 because the story was already written and he just had to write the script.

So sorry no more Star Wars films after episode III

[Elemmírë]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

Here's one more opinion on the subject.

The Emperor is the imbalance. Destroying this vast evil is what brings balance to the Force.

I don't think so, Lief.

Wonderful. A potential debate where I can use my own philosophy instead of having to abide by the Christian perspective.

I don't think it can be argued that the Force is "good." There exists the Dark Side and the Light Side. Both are necessary and neither would exist without the other. At the time of the Old Republic, the future Emperor would most likely not have been an imbalance. During the Empire, however, this becomes an entirely different story.

IMHO, true balance seems to be a concept that is forever beyond reach. Desiring that balance is like desiring a world without change, one that would be forever stagnant.

That being said, it is likely that in order to bring balance to the Force, the Jedi of the Old Republic had to be wiped out. After that, however, the balance seems to have shifted entirely the other way. At some points, perhaps there was complete balance, but this position was not long maintained. After Vader died, perhaps the balance shifted back again towards the light.

If I remember correctly, all that was claimed was that Vader would balance the Force. And by wiping out the Jedi, he probably did so.

This doesn't mean that it would stay balanced.

[Lenya]

Agreeable. There is deffinately a Light Side and a Dark Side to the Force, though I don't believe that there has ever been a complete balance between them except maybe at the beginning of time. Since the Force is such a big thing in the Star Wars universe, I believe that when this balance is obtained, it will probably be the end of their universe.

[Elessar the Elfstone]

the force is neutral it is the person using the the force that decides where to use it for good or for evil, I believe there has to be an equal amount of light to dark for the force to be balanced. but must have only ever happened for a very short while when the universe was first created. the balance was almost reached again when the only force weilders in the galaxy were Yoda and Obi Wan, Vadar and palpatine. but the dark side at that point had a lot more influance because they were ruling the galaxy. but I also think it is impossible for the force to be perfectly balanced because one side will always be more influentual, unless nobody used the force for any reason when that goal is completed that would be the end of the universe.

[Earniel]

Originally Posted by Elemmire

If I remember correctly, all that was claimed was that Vader would balance the Force. And by wiping out the Jedi, he probably did so.

Or perhaps he had to know both sides, had to have been part of both sides to acchieve this balance.

[Wayfarer]

Maybe, since 'always in motion, the future is', the prophecy actually had nothing to do with Anakin, and the person who had 'prophesied' it had really been just making a wild guess. That's my opinion.

[Lief Erikson]

Elessar and Elemmire, although I don't have enough time to remember many quotes to support my position, here's one good one. Qui-Gon-Jinn talked about "Midi-clorians always speak to us and tell us the will of the Force." We're talking about one Force, not two forces, one Dark and one Light. Therefore this one Force has one will, and because Qui-Gon-Jinn says the Force is to be listened to and obeyed, the indication is strong that the Force is naturally good. Otherwise Qui-Gon wouldn't tell Anakin to listen to it. The Force seems from this brief conversation with Anakin even to have something of a mind of its own. People that misuse the Force, not obeying its will, would therefore be disturbances in the Force- imbalances.

[Elemmírë]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

We're talking about one Force, not two forces, one Dark and one Light. Therefore this one Force has one will, and because Qui-Gon-Jinn says the Force is to be listened to and obeyed, the indication is strong that the Force is naturally good.

Hey there, Lief.

You are correct. There are not two Forces and I don't believe anyone has been claiming that there are. There is one, which has both a dark aspect and a light aspect, thus you often hear references to the "Dark Side of the Force." If the Force was naturally good, these references could not exist.

I'll have arguments to back this up, but at the moment I'm wondering if a debate on the nature of the Force is relevent to a discussion of the Prophecy.
Is there another thread we could go to?

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

As we all know there is a Prophecy in Star Wars that states that there will be a one that will have the power to bring the force into balance. Qui-Gon Jinn beleived this one was Anakin Skywalker, with the highest meteclorian count ever charted it seems plausable. A Human with more "force" in him than even Yoda himself. My question pretains to the idea of balanced. What exactlly is balance to George Lucas? There was a center for Jedi and the training of almost an army of Jedi. Where as the Sith were supposedly two, no more no less. Although I don't feel this is true as during the apprenticship of Darth Maul Count Dooku must have also been in the service of the sith, creating a paradox of three Sith at one time at least. However, that fact aside, there should only be two, master and aprentice. So, what balance is needed? The destruction of the Jedi till there is only two left? Wouldn't that be balanced?
Within the films we see Darth Vader return to Anakin Skywalker and destroy Darth Sideous creating an equality one Jedi one Sith; Luke and Vader. Then Luke watches Vader die and so the force is still unbalanced! This idea really boogles my mind because it never actually works! Any ideas on the whole Prophecy thing!?

As far as I know the sith are imbalence...