Frodo's in my bed!

FrodoFriend · 01-03-2002, 10:47 PM

I just read on Ardalambion that Frodo's real, original name in the Red Book of Westmarch is Maura. Weirdness!! I've had a stuffed tiger since I was a baby named Maura and I've slept with it in my bed for 15 years!!!! Furthermore, MY actual name is Maureen . . . This is too strange, I'm going to have nightmares and I'll never look at that tiger the same way again . . .

emplynx · 01-04-2002, 08:35 AM

You and Frodo, FrodoFriend, are a little too close IMHO. J/K. That is really cool. I have never heard that name, Maura, before, and I am glad they changed it to Frodo, a much cooler name!

TrewynEvenstar · 01-04-2002, 09:39 AM

And Pippin was originally Falco...thank goodness that was changed. Ugh.

Darth Tater · 01-04-2002, 11:44 AM

I thought I was gonna have to close this thread

Banazir · 01-04-2002, 07:14 PM

An amazing coincidence, FrodoFriend, I understand your shock at the discovery.

And I think it's a real pity that some names were changed. 'Maura' is way cooler than 'Frodo'. More beautiful and dignified. More fitting to the character.

P.S. Pippin's real name is supposed to be Razanul, not Falco.

Ñólendil · 01-04-2002, 07:30 PM

I think Trewyn thought that 'Maura' was Frodo's name in an earlier version or something.

Trewyn, Maura Labingi was Frodo's actual historical name (accepting the War of the Ring and all that as history). It is a Westron ('Aduni' in that tounge) name of the Hobbitish dialect. Tolkien 'translated' (the way he went about it differed in different names) them into English. Banazîr Galbasi became Samwise Gamgee, Maura Labingi became Frodo Baggins, Razanur Tûk Peregrin Took, and Kalimac Brandagamba to Meriadoc Brandybuck.

Banazir · 01-04-2002, 07:43 PM

Thank you, Inoldonil, for elaborating on this. A really useful bit of information.

FrodoFriend · 01-04-2002, 09:43 PM

Heh heh. Thought that might catch a few eyes.

The changes of names is really cool, I think. It makes the story seem so real. And Maura is a very nice name (even though Frodo is cute too).
Does anyone know why it was changed to Frodo? I see why he wouldn't leave it as Maura, since it's rather feminine-sounding, but why Frodo?

Ñólendil · 01-04-2002, 10:41 PM

Frodo was chosen because it has a similar meaning. I think Maura means something like 'wise'. Froda is Old English for 'Wise by expierience', so Tolkien took Froda and Anglicised it because of what we consider masculine: i.e., changing the last 'a' to 'o'.

FrodoFriend · 01-05-2002, 04:00 PM

Thanks for the info. That's really really cool. I'm consistently amazed at the detail and thought that went into these books.

Wayfarer · 01-05-2002, 06:22 PM

So, *ahem* what exactly is the nature of your relationshilp, 'friend'? ]: )

FrodoFriend · 01-05-2002, 07:47 PM

The nature of my *ahem* relationship is indeed that of *ahem* "friend", though I would also call myself an admirer, sympathizer, and *AHEM!* "devotee". An immoral and, if I may say so, shameful *cough* relationship of the type you seem to be implying *meaningful glance* would never cross my mind *suspiciously innocent expression*. The revelation that my stuffed animal bears the same name as my favorite hobbit in no way affects the deep . . . respect, and passionate . . . er, appreciation I have for the said hobbit. AHEM!!

fireworks19 · 01-05-2002, 11:47 PM

bropous · 01-06-2002, 12:39 PM

As to the names of Frodo...

Sometimes I slip when talking about Frodo, and I stammer, "Bilbo...no, Frodo...".

This morning my girlfriend added a new slant to the misstep...in asking about a section at the end of Fellowship of the Ring [she's reading the books the second time through], she sleepily said, "Bilbo...no, Hobo...no, FRODO!". We laughed our hindquarters off!

Heck, at least she hasn't read Harvard Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings"...then it would be, "Bilbo...no, Hobo...no, Frito...no, FRODO!"

Rána Eressëa · 08-18-2002, 10:03 PM

I really like the original names in an odd way very much. Especially Frodo's and Pippin's.

cassiopeia · 08-18-2002, 11:01 PM

Oh damn, I thought this thread was going to be interesting.

Rána Eressëa · 08-18-2002, 11:05 PM

I had remembered seeing it a long time ago in the early days of "What Would You Do? heh heh heh . . . ", but I never got around to replying until now.

Well, better late than never.

I forgot that Maura was a Westron name and thought for a while it was Elvish, but I'm clearly back to my senses now.

katya · 08-25-2002, 05:11 PM

i like the name maura. that would be a good name for a kid that was not obviously tolkien inspired but...is. i like all the translated names but it seems like, well nevermind i guess its better that way. i wonder why the a ending sounds feminine. its another weird cultural thing i suppose.

Elenka · 08-25-2002, 07:53 PM

I'm glad it's Frodo instead of Maura. Maura sounds too...feminine. But I do have to say, if I was changing my name, any name with "Frod" in it would NOT be on the list.

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-25-2002, 08:07 PM

What's Westron? Hobbitish? lol...

Also, what language did all the people speak in ME rather than English? What was the Common Tongue? did tolkien ever document it? It's weird because now that I think about it the people of ME prolly didn't speak english as we read it in the books... it was probably "translated" in to english from whatever the Common Tongue was.

I feel so... foreign!

-~*Sminty*~-

01-03-2002, 10:47 PM	#1
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Frodo's in my bed! I just read on Ardalambion that Frodo's real, original name in the Red Book of Westmarch is Maura. Weirdness!! I've had a stuffed tiger since I was a baby named Maura and I've slept with it in my bed for 15 years!!!! Furthermore, MY actual name is Maureen . . . This is too strange, I'm going to have nightmares and I'll never look at that tiger the same way again . . . __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-04-2002, 11:44 AM	#4
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	I thought I was gonna have to close this thread __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

01-04-2002, 07:14 PM	#5
Banazir Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 40	An amazing coincidence, FrodoFriend, I understand your shock at the discovery. And I think it's a real pity that some names were changed. 'Maura' is way cooler than 'Frodo'. More beautiful and dignified. More fitting to the character. P.S. Pippin's real name is supposed to be Razanul, not Falco. __________________ "...I love him, whether or no".

01-04-2002, 07:30 PM	#6
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I think Trewyn thought that 'Maura' was Frodo's name in an earlier version or something. Trewyn, Maura Labingi was Frodo's actual historical name (accepting the War of the Ring and all that as history). It is a Westron ('Aduni' in that tounge) name of the Hobbitish dialect. Tolkien 'translated' (the way he went about it differed in different names) them into English. Banazîr Galbasi became Samwise Gamgee, Maura Labingi became Frodo Baggins, Razanur Tûk Peregrin Took, and Kalimac Brandagamba to Meriadoc Brandybuck. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

01-04-2002, 07:43 PM	#7
Banazir Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 40	Thank you, Inoldonil, for elaborating on this. A really useful bit of information. __________________ "...I love him, whether or no".

01-04-2002, 08:35 AM	#2
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	You and Frodo, FrodoFriend, are a little too close IMHO. J/K. That is really cool. I have never heard that name, Maura, before, and I am glad they changed it to Frodo, a much cooler name!

01-04-2002, 09:39 AM	#3
TrewynEvenstar Sapling Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: USA Posts: 9	And Pippin was originally Falco...thank goodness that was changed. Ugh.

01-04-2002, 09:43 PM	#8
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Heh heh. Thought that might catch a few eyes. The changes of names is really cool, I think. It makes the story seem so real. And Maura is a very nice name (even though Frodo is cute too). Does anyone know why it was changed to Frodo? I see why he wouldn't leave it as Maura, since it's rather feminine-sounding, but why Frodo? __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-04-2002, 10:41 PM	#9
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Frodo was chosen because it has a similar meaning. I think Maura means something like 'wise'. Froda is Old English for 'Wise by expierience', so Tolkien took Froda and Anglicised it because of what we consider masculine: i.e., changing the last 'a' to 'o'. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

01-05-2002, 04:00 PM	#10
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Thanks for the info. That's really really cool. I'm consistently amazed at the detail and thought that went into these books. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-05-2002, 06:22 PM	#11
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	So, ahem what exactly is the nature of your relationshilp, 'friend'? ]: ) __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-05-2002, 07:47 PM	#12
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	The nature of my ahem relationship is indeed that of ahem "friend", though I would also call myself an admirer, sympathizer, and AHEM! "devotee". An immoral and, if I may say so, shameful cough relationship of the type you seem to be implying meaningful glance would never cross my mind suspiciously innocent expression. The revelation that my stuffed animal bears the same name as my favorite hobbit in no way affects the deep . . . respect, and passionate . . . er, appreciation I have for the said hobbit. AHEM!! __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-05-2002, 11:47 PM	#13
fireworks19 Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 156	I just want to say.... LOL __________________ Just Watch the Fireworks Just Meet Fireworks =)

01-06-2002, 12:39 PM	#14
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	As to the names of Frodo... Sometimes I slip when talking about Frodo, and I stammer, "Bilbo...no, Frodo...". This morning my girlfriend added a new slant to the misstep...in asking about a section at the end of Fellowship of the Ring [she's reading the books the second time through], she sleepily said, "Bilbo...no, Hobo...no, FRODO!". We laughed our hindquarters off! Heck, at least she hasn't read Harvard Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings"...then it would be, "Bilbo...no, Hobo...no, Frito...no, FRODO!" __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

08-18-2002, 10:03 PM	#15
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	I really like the original names in an odd way very much. Especially Frodo's and Pippin's.

08-18-2002, 11:01 PM	#16
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Oh damn, I thought this thread was going to be interesting. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

08-18-2002, 11:05 PM	#17
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	I had remembered seeing it a long time ago in the early days of "What Would You Do? heh heh heh . . . ", but I never got around to replying until now. Well, better late than never. I forgot that Maura was a Westron name and thought for a while it was Elvish, but I'm clearly back to my senses now.

08-25-2002, 05:11 PM	#18
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	i like the name maura. that would be a good name for a kid that was not obviously tolkien inspired but...is. i like all the translated names but it seems like, well nevermind i guess its better that way. i wonder why the a ending sounds feminine. its another weird cultural thing i suppose.

08-25-2002, 07:53 PM	#19
Elenka The Negative Soul of Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Middle Distance Posts: 651	I'm glad it's Frodo instead of Maura. Maura sounds too...feminine. But I do have to say, if I was changing my name, any name with "Frod" in it would NOT be on the list. __________________ W00T for the M00T!! War doesn't determine who is right - war determines who is left.

08-25-2002, 08:07 PM	#20
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Westron? What's Westron? Hobbitish? lol... Also, what language did all the people speak in ME rather than English? What was the Common Tongue? did tolkien ever document it? It's weird because now that I think about it the people of ME prolly didn't speak english as we read it in the books... it was probably "translated" in to english from whatever the Common Tongue was. I feel so... foreign! -~Sminty~-

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