Frodo Age Question

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-22-2002, 08:38 PM

On the thread "Quick Age Question" or something they asked when the hobbit's bdays were... and I'm too lazy to look this up and it may have been mentioned on that thread (i didn't read it all) but how old was frodo when he set out on his quest/or his bday in the beginning? I somehow remember both 50 and 33, 33 being his coming of age and 50 being when bilbo set out... was he possibly turning 33 in the beginning and was 50 when he first set out?

-~*Sminty*~-<dazed/confused/tired/regretful

Ñólendil · 08-22-2002, 08:51 PM

Yes, that's just it. In A Long Expected Party Frodo is turning 33, but when the journey starts in Three Is Company he's 50, or 51 (though of course he still looked 33).

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-22-2002, 09:06 PM

All right! I haven't read LOTR in nearly a year... I'm an awfully slow reader, and am right now beginning to plow through the histories of middle earth (I can't believe I wasted nearly half a year reading the Silmarillion and 3/4 the time I was spaced out not concentrating on what I was reading!), and once I get halfway through the Histories I will probably re-read LOTR, the hobbit and the silm (which prolly won't be for like 4 years) because I guess for a 13 year old like me, especially one who is not a wonderful reader like many of the 13 year olds you may fing on here, you just have to keep on re-reading Tolkien's works as I atleast (and know a few others with this trouble) have difficulties thinking about what I am reading (esp. in the Silm! totally new reading style).

Enough with my off-topicness. I am glad I could dig that out of my memory. I really must re-read the books since the movie came back... must regain original perspective!

Frodo still looked 33 when he was 50 because the ring was in his posession, right? If I have one bugger in FOTR film is the inapparent time passage... it seems as though Gandalf rode to <insert name of city here> in one day, ran downstairs, read up on the ring, and in 4 hours was back again. When in the book he took what, 17 years? and he had all sorts of side adventures... I hope they do better with this in TTT and ROTK.

-~*Sminty*~-

Ñólendil · 08-23-2002, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Frodo still looked 33 when he was 50 because the ring was in his posession, right?

Right. Likewise at 111, Bilbo still looked 50.

The city you're thinking of is Minas Tirith. I think in the movie it's referred to only as the "white city".

You're right about the time-passage in the movie. The whole film seems to rush by pretty fast, when it's all over. Four days in Mória sure didn't feel like four days. Of course, one can still imagine that Gandalf took as long as he did in the books, it's not made clear, but a quick journey is certainly the impression made.

Spock · 08-24-2002, 11:37 AM

Having just views the movie yesterday, "the white city" is that of Gondor. But that's a realm. Heck, on Vulcan everything's red.

Ñólendil · 08-24-2002, 06:32 PM

I always thought by "white city" they meant "Minas Tirith".

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-24-2002, 08:40 PM

Ok... is minas tirith in gondor?

Comic Book Guy · 08-24-2002, 09:11 PM

It's on Tol Sirion, that's for sure.

Entlover · 08-24-2002, 10:28 PM

I happen to have the Unfinished Tales here, with its handy index:
There are 2 places called Minas Tirith: 1 is the Tower of Watch built by Finrod Felagund on Tol Sirion, an island in the river in the Pass of Sirion (later called Tol-in-Gaurhoth, Isle of Werewolves!)

2 is Denethor's city, capitol of Gondor, the southern realm of the Numenoreans; Minas Tirith was originally Minas Anor, but when orcs took over Minas Ithil and turned it into Minas Morgul, the Gondorians changed Minas Anor to Minas Tirith.

So the white city is Minas Tirith, which is in Gondor. Gandalf went there because Isildur's writings were there, he went there before getting killed in the river (if I recall correctly.)

Ñólendil · 08-25-2002, 02:52 AM

I think Brendan (CBG) was trying to cause havoc and confusion. He knows very well that there are two Towers of Guard.

Bad Ent, bad.

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-25-2002, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Entlover
So the white city is Minas Tirith, which is in Gondor. Gandalf went there because Isildur's writings were there, he went there before getting killed in the river (if I recall correctly.)

Gandalf got killed in the river? What? *gives you strange looks*

Anyway, good thing I atleast remembered that The White City is in Gondor. I really need to re-read the books but I'm too lazy lol- the first time they took me 3 months to read all three! ...And one week I got like half way through FOTR... but then stopped...

I feel so bad not re-reading them because everybody like, re-reads them once a year on here!
Somebody reassure me I'm an obsessed fan....
-~*Sminty*~-

PS-

Spock · 08-25-2002, 11:49 AM

OK, Minas Tirith is the White City, the capitol of the realm of Gondor.
It's built on seven levels.
And that's as much information as I dare research today.

Ñólendil · 08-25-2002, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Gandalf got killed in the river? What? *gives you strange looks*

Entlover meant to say (and did say) that Isildur was killed in the river (the Great River, Anduin).

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-26-2002, 08:30 AM

ROFLMAO... it sounded like they said Gandalf died in the river...

-~*Sminty*~-

RosieCotton · 08-27-2002, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol

Frodo still looked 33 when he was 50 because the ring was in his posession, right? If I have one bugger in FOTR film is the inapparent time passage... it seems as though Gandalf rode to <insert name of city here> in one day, ran downstairs, read up on the ring, and in 4 hours was back again. When in the book he took what, 17 years? and he had all sorts of side adventures... I hope they do better with this in TTT and ROTK.

-~*Sminty*~-

Well, you have to give the people who made the movie a break...it was a three hour movie....much longer and lots of people wouldn't want to go. I do agree with you though, a little bit more perspective of the time would be nice...I hate to say this, but in Hollywood its true....in a movie like Lord of the Rings, a 21-year-old hobbit who looks like Elijah Wood is better than a 50-year-old-hobbit. I thought a 50 year old hobbit was fine, but I'm sure some people went to see the movie because Elijah Wood was in it. Sorry I sort of went of topic....and off-forum.
Rosie

samwiselvr2008 · 08-28-2002, 08:48 PM

yes, even though there was a book mistake there! YES! A BOOK MISTAKE! ONE OF THE ONLY ONES, NOT ONLY PJ MAKES LOTR MISTAKES! On Frodo's 50th b-day something happens (don't fill like seeing axsacly what it was in the book) and then about 17 years later, Frodo turns 50???

Starr Polish · 08-28-2002, 09:20 PM

What?
Frodo was turned thirty-three the day Bilbo disappeared. Bilbo was fifty when he started his first adventure (as told in "The Hobbit"). Tolkien never says Frodo is fifty, and then that he is still fifty seventeen years later.

samwiselvr2008 · 08-31-2002, 02:22 PM

I'm of to check the book, I remember reading it, getting confused, and rereading it about 5 times untill I desided that it was a mistake, but I guess that you wont proof, so I'll post again later, I'm of to look it up in the book, any one ceer to joun me?

I will return...

Khadrane · 08-31-2002, 05:53 PM

Starr Polish is right. Frodo was 33 at Bilbo's b-day party.

entss89 · 09-01-2002, 09:10 AM

okey so first time hes 33 then he gos to be 50 or 51 but still looks the same!

08-22-2002, 08:38 PM	#1
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Frodo Age Question On the thread "Quick Age Question" or something they asked when the hobbit's bdays were... and I'm too lazy to look this up and it may have been mentioned on that thread (i didn't read it all) but how old was frodo when he set out on his quest/or his bday in the beginning? I somehow remember both 50 and 33, 33 being his coming of age and 50 being when bilbo set out... was he possibly turning 33 in the beginning and was 50 when he first set out? -~Sminty~-<dazed/confused/tired/regretful

08-22-2002, 08:51 PM	#2
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Yes, that's just it. In A Long Expected Party Frodo is turning 33, but when the journey starts in Three Is Company he's 50, or 51 (though of course he still looked 33). __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-24-2002, 11:37 AM	#5
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Having just views the movie yesterday, "the white city" is that of Gondor. But that's a realm. Heck, on Vulcan everything's red. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-24-2002, 06:32 PM	#6
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I always thought by "white city" they meant "Minas Tirith". __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-25-2002, 02:52 AM	#10
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I think Brendan (CBG) was trying to cause havoc and confusion. He knows very well that there are two Towers of Guard. Bad Ent, bad. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-22-2002, 09:06 PM	#3
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	All right! I haven't read LOTR in nearly a year... I'm an awfully slow reader, and am right now beginning to plow through the histories of middle earth (I can't believe I wasted nearly half a year reading the Silmarillion and 3/4 the time I was spaced out not concentrating on what I was reading!), and once I get halfway through the Histories I will probably re-read LOTR, the hobbit and the silm (which prolly won't be for like 4 years) because I guess for a 13 year old like me, especially one who is not a wonderful reader like many of the 13 year olds you may fing on here, you just have to keep on re-reading Tolkien's works as I atleast (and know a few others with this trouble) have difficulties thinking about what I am reading (esp. in the Silm! totally new reading style). Enough with my off-topicness. I am glad I could dig that out of my memory. I really must re-read the books since the movie came back... must regain original perspective! Frodo still looked 33 when he was 50 because the ring was in his posession, right? If I have one bugger in FOTR film is the inapparent time passage... it seems as though Gandalf rode to <insert name of city here> in one day, ran downstairs, read up on the ring, and in 4 hours was back again. When in the book he took what, 17 years? and he had all sorts of side adventures... I hope they do better with this in TTT and ROTK. -~Sminty~-

08-24-2002, 08:40 PM	#7
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Ok... is minas tirith in gondor?

08-24-2002, 09:11 PM	#8
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	It's on Tol Sirion, that's for sure.

08-24-2002, 10:28 PM	#9
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	I happen to have the Unfinished Tales here, with its handy index: There are 2 places called Minas Tirith: 1 is the Tower of Watch built by Finrod Felagund on Tol Sirion, an island in the river in the Pass of Sirion (later called Tol-in-Gaurhoth, Isle of Werewolves!) 2 is Denethor's city, capitol of Gondor, the southern realm of the Numenoreans; Minas Tirith was originally Minas Anor, but when orcs took over Minas Ithil and turned it into Minas Morgul, the Gondorians changed Minas Anor to Minas Tirith. So the white city is Minas Tirith, which is in Gondor. Gandalf went there because Isildur's writings were there, he went there before getting killed in the river (if I recall correctly.)

08-25-2002, 11:49 AM	#12
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	OK, Minas Tirith is the White City, the capitol of the realm of Gondor. It's built on seven levels. And that's as much information as I dare research today. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-26-2002, 08:30 AM	#14
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	ROFLMAO... it sounded like they said Gandalf died in the river... -~Sminty~-

08-28-2002, 08:48 PM	#16
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	yes, even though there was a book mistake there! YES! A BOOK MISTAKE! ONE OF THE ONLY ONES, NOT ONLY PJ MAKES LOTR MISTAKES! On Frodo's 50th b-day something happens (don't fill like seeing axsacly what it was in the book) and then about 17 years later, Frodo turns 50??? __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

08-28-2002, 09:20 PM	#17
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	What? Frodo was turned thirty-three the day Bilbo disappeared. Bilbo was fifty when he started his first adventure (as told in "The Hobbit"). Tolkien never says Frodo is fifty, and then that he is still fifty seventeen years later. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell Last edited by Starr Polish : 08-28-2002 at 09:21 PM.

08-31-2002, 02:22 PM	#18
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	I'm of to check the book, I remember reading it, getting confused, and rereading it about 5 times untill I desided that it was a mistake, but I guess that you wont proof, so I'll post again later, I'm of to look it up in the book, any one ceer to joun me? I will return... __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

08-31-2002, 05:53 PM	#19
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	Starr Polish is right. Frodo was 33 at Bilbo's b-day party. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

09-01-2002, 09:10 AM	#20
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	okey okey so first time hes 33 then he gos to be 50 or 51 but still looks the same!

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