elendil, gil-galad,

afro-elf · 05-22-2002, 11:47 PM

elendil, gil-galad, if they had survived the battle

Would elendil have had the strength to destroy the ring?

I believe gil galad would have the power to do so

but I don't know enough about elendil

Tar-Elendil · 05-23-2002, 11:26 AM

i think he would have. he had alot more wisdom than isildur and i believe a stronger will. he wouldnt have taken such a weapon of sauron's for his use or even as an heirloom, he woulda known evil would become of it. And neways gil-galad cant even compare to Elendil!

afro-elf · 05-23-2002, 11:10 PM

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And neways gil-galad cant even compare to Elendil!

lol

Findegil · 05-24-2002, 08:10 AM

I don't think so. I remember a Letter of JRR Tolkien were I think he said something like nobody could have resisted the ring in the place of its making.
I think if some one would have had the strength it would have destroyed him. That means he would have jumped in with the ring. In that way he would have the ring for him self but also safe the world. Tolkien envisaged in one of his letters a scene with Gollum doing exactly this for his friendship with Frodo after he was not rebuke by Sam before Shelobs lair.

Regrads
Findegil

Lelondul · 05-24-2002, 01:11 PM

Good quesiton afro-elf! I don't know, I agree that if any man could have done it, Earendil or Elendil would be the chaps. But even they were men, and thusly were still short-sighted, relatively speaking. The lure of the ring's power would have been too much for even them, I fear.

I think a high-elf as Gil-Galad, who had seen Sauron's cunning from the beginning, and also having the foresight and expeirence that one has as a several thousand-year Noldorin warrior, would perchance, allow him to cast the ring into the fire, though with the greatest of pains.

I don't know (have I said that before?

), Galadriel withstood the temptation to use it, but throwing it into the fire is whole other thing.

- Lelond

Radagast The Brown · 05-24-2002, 04:01 PM

I think that they could have destroy the ring if they were servive. Gil-Galad was destroy the ring if he could because he wasn't near it long time as Frodo was when he didn't want to destroy it. I think that Elendil could do it from the same reason.

Tar-Elendil · 05-24-2002, 04:36 PM

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I think a high-elf as Gil-Galad, who had seen Sauron's cunning from the beginning, and also having the foresight and expeirence that one has as a several thousand-year Noldorin warrior, would perchance, allow him to cast the ring into the fire, though with the greatest of pains.

read my earlier..gil-galad cant compare to elendil! gil-galad is a mere elf, but elendil is one of Numenore

i agree with radagast tho. frodo had the ring for many years. if gil-galad or elendil would have tried to destroy it a.s.a.p. i think they could have done it.

afro-elf · 05-24-2002, 10:58 PM

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read my earlier..gil-galad cant compare to elendil! gil-galad is a mere elf, but elendil is one of Numenore

well you have been rebuked here

http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&threadid=4695

Tar-Elendil · 05-28-2002, 11:44 AM

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, who had seen Sauron's cunning from the beginning

i have one thing to say to that. The Faithful.

Radagast The Brown · 05-28-2002, 01:57 PM

What is this quote? From where did you take it?

Tar-Elendil · 05-28-2002, 02:01 PM

Lelondul's post

afro-elf · 05-29-2002, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Tar-Elendil

i have one thing to say to that. The Faithful.

they only dealt with him as the dark lord NEVER did they encounter him in his fair guise

so to say they the saw through his cunning is a misnomer

NO elven nation succame to him which while he was open the dark lord

Tar-Elendil · 05-29-2002, 12:33 AM

aye i understand. but the faithful knew what was going on was evil and refused to take part. dude, i have to have something to say to backup the numenoreans

afro-elf · 05-29-2002, 01:08 AM

they were the greatest mortal civilization EVER to exist in ME and long after the elves grew weary they continued to fight against sauron even after they themselves had grown weak.

Tar-Elendil · 05-29-2002, 01:10 AM

ok, that about sums it up..

Makamu · 05-30-2002, 08:09 AM

But not me!

Because Gil-galad wasn't just a mere elf. He was a Noldo and the son of one of the Exiles who had seen the light of Aman. He had known Sauron since the days, when he was just a mere Maia and a servant of the Dark Lord Morgoth. Gil-galed knew what he was capable of. He was a close relative of Finrod, who had fought against Sauron in a duel. Elendil didn't know, what the One Ring was, did he? So he would have walked in the trap. He may be one of the Numenoreans, but he wasn't of the line of Earendil and Elros Tar-Minyatur, was he? He may have been a great man and wiser than his son, but he was far too young in the years of Ea to understand completely what he was up against. And that would have been his downfall, in my humble opinion

afro-elf · 05-30-2002, 09:27 AM

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but he wasn't of the line of Earendil and Elros Tar-Minyatur, was he

yes he was, silmarien ( was a daughter of tar-elendil

her son son valandil was the the 1st lord of anduinie

Tar-Elendil · 05-30-2002, 12:00 PM

elendil was of the line of elros, just not the ruling house. Tar-Elendil had three children. Silmarien,Irimon(Meneldur), and Isilme. Meneldur was the only son and took the kingship after his father. From Silmarien came the lords of Andunie. So yes they were from the line of Elros.

Makamu · 05-31-2002, 02:32 PM

I didn't know that and I will keep my mouth shut now

Ã‘Ã³lendil · 05-31-2002, 03:47 PM

In fact it was in a way a more legitimate line than was that of Tar-PalantÃ*r or Tar-MÃ*riel (or Ar-Pharazon), because Silmarien (the fore-mother of the lords of AndÃºniÃ«) was Tar-Elendil's eldest child. The only reason she didn't become the Ruler of NÃºmenor was because she was a woman (a law that was later changed).

05-22-2002, 11:47 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	elendil, gil-galad, elendil, gil-galad, if they had survived the battle Would elendil have had the strength to destroy the ring? I believe gil galad would have the power to do so but I don't know enough about elendil __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-23-2002, 11:26 AM	#2
Tar-Elendil NÃºmenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	i think he would have. he had alot more wisdom than isildur and i believe a stronger will. he wouldnt have taken such a weapon of sauron's for his use or even as an heirloom, he woulda known evil would become of it. And neways gil-galad cant even compare to Elendil! __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-24-2002, 01:11 PM	#5
Lelondul Swan-buggerer Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The rainy, grey north Posts: 69	Good quesiton afro-elf! I don't know, I agree that if any man could have done it, Earendil or Elendil would be the chaps. But even they were men, and thusly were still short-sighted, relatively speaking. The lure of the ring's power would have been too much for even them, I fear. I think a high-elf as Gil-Galad, who had seen Sauron's cunning from the beginning, and also having the foresight and expeirence that one has as a several thousand-year Noldorin warrior, would perchance, allow him to cast the ring into the fire, though with the greatest of pains. I don't know (have I said that before? ), Galadriel withstood the temptation to use it, but throwing it into the fire is whole other thing. - Lelond __________________ - Lelond, your friendly neighborhood Adan

05-24-2002, 04:01 PM	#6
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I think that they could have destroy the ring if they were servive. Gil-Galad was destroy the ring if he could because he wasn't near it long time as Frodo was when he didn't want to destroy it. I think that Elendil could do it from the same reason. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-28-2002, 01:57 PM	#10
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	What is this quote? From where did you take it? __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-24-2002, 08:10 AM	#4
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	I don't think so. I remember a Letter of JRR Tolkien were I think he said something like nobody could have resisted the ring in the place of its making. I think if some one would have had the strength it would have destroyed him. That means he would have jumped in with the ring. In that way he would have the ring for him self but also safe the world. Tolkien envisaged in one of his letters a scene with Gollum doing exactly this for his friendship with Frodo after he was not rebuke by Sam before Shelobs lair. Regrads Findegil

05-28-2002, 02:01 PM	#11
Tar-Elendil NÃºmenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	Lelondul's post __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-29-2002, 12:33 AM	#13
Tar-Elendil NÃºmenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	aye i understand. but the faithful knew what was going on was evil and refused to take part. dude, i have to have something to say to backup the numenoreans __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-29-2002, 01:08 AM	#14
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	they were the greatest mortal civilization EVER to exist in ME and long after the elves grew weary they continued to fight against sauron even after they themselves had grown weak. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-29-2002, 01:10 AM	#15
Tar-Elendil NÃºmenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	ok, that about sums it up.. __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-30-2002, 08:09 AM	#16
Makamu Sapling Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 10	But not me! Because Gil-galad wasn't just a mere elf. He was a Noldo and the son of one of the Exiles who had seen the light of Aman. He had known Sauron since the days, when he was just a mere Maia and a servant of the Dark Lord Morgoth. Gil-galed knew what he was capable of. He was a close relative of Finrod, who had fought against Sauron in a duel. Elendil didn't know, what the One Ring was, did he? So he would have walked in the trap. He may be one of the Numenoreans, but he wasn't of the line of Earendil and Elros Tar-Minyatur, was he? He may have been a great man and wiser than his son, but he was far too young in the years of Ea to understand completely what he was up against. And that would have been his downfall, in my humble opinion

05-30-2002, 12:00 PM	#18
Tar-Elendil NÃºmenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	elendil was of the line of elros, just not the ruling house. Tar-Elendil had three children. Silmarien,Irimon(Meneldur), and Isilme. Meneldur was the only son and took the kingship after his father. From Silmarien came the lords of Andunie. So yes they were from the line of Elros. __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-31-2002, 02:32 PM	#19
Makamu Sapling Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 10	I didn't know that and I will keep my mouth shut now

05-31-2002, 03:47 PM	#20
Ã‘Ã³lendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	In fact it was in a way a more legitimate line than was that of Tar-PalantÃr or Tar-MÃriel (or Ar-Pharazon), because Silmarien (the fore-mother of the lords of AndÃºniÃ«) was Tar-Elendil's eldest child. The only reason she didn't become the Ruler of NÃºmenor was because she was a woman (a law that was later changed). __________________ Falmon -- Dylan Last edited by Ã‘Ã³lendil : 05-31-2002 at 03:48 PM.

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