Helm's Deep

SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 06-27-2002, 10:56 AM

It seems to me in TTT that Helm's Deep is quite a vast setting. At one point they are fighting here, and then two seconds later they are fighting somewhere else. I'm just totally confuzed on what is happening here.

***Fat middle*** · 06-27-2002, 12:56 PM

well, i cannot draw you a map, but i think that if you read it carefully you'll get things clear. first time i read it i had the same impression of being lost, and i think it's normal. Perhaps Tolkien made it on pupose: the battle takes place during a rainy night so the lack of exhaustive descriptions contribute to make us feel the confussion of the battle. the same, i think, happens in the passing of Moria.

i a remember it right, i believe that before Helm's deep there is a fortress (a "castle"): the Hornburg. From this fortress part a great wall that closes the dale. the battle takes place both in the "castle" and in the wall. there's a door that leads from the "castle" to the wall but the wall can also be climbed up from the rear.

during the battle Aragorn with Eomer make are forced to go out of the "castle" and come down before the wall because orcs are going to blow it away.

... well perhaps i've only confussed you more because i cannot remember things perfectly now

BTW, last time i read it, i at last made myself a clear idea of the way the Company took in Moria

The Warden of the Keys · 06-27-2002, 04:44 PM

Helm's Deep was the valley cut by the Deeping Stream and stretched from the caves of Anglarond to the Hornrock. At the point where the Deeping Stream left the valley, the Deeping Wall had been constructed between the Hornrock and the southern cliffs to enclose the valley (passing over the Deeping Stream which flowed out into the Deeping Coomb). Atop the Hornrock was built the Hornburg.

Theoden's troops manned the Deeping Wall and the 'Burg' (along with the remnants of the Erkenbrand's men of Westfold).

Hope this helps.

SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 06-27-2002, 07:20 PM

Thanks you guys. That helped a lot (especially Fat Middle!

) Moria I think didn't confuze me that much. It actually made sense. I think that I'm going to re-read the series soon. Maybe I'll get it better the next time. Actually, I haven't even finished reading ROTK the first time. I'm on "The Seige of Gondor" and the
Faramir just got hit by the arrow. Thanks a lot though you guyz.

FrodoBagginsOTS · 06-28-2002, 07:18 PM

hey sam....Helm's Deep's cool. Never read it yo! check ya l8r alligator!

katya · 09-03-2002, 06:41 PM

i thought helms deep was really confusing. oh my gosh. when i reread it it was a little clearer. but it is still confusing. and guess what? this is my hundredth post! and on a topic i dont like! i didnt like that chapter very much! how ironic! oh well. i liked the thing between gimli and legolas though... yay! hundredth post for me!

nazgul prince · 09-03-2002, 07:21 PM

Hey thanks fat middle i was lost on that chapter too.I read it three times to and it just got more confusing.Now i can pitcher it.

Dain · 09-06-2002, 06:51 PM

Helm's Deep
The huge fortified gorge in the White Mountains in the Westfold of Rohan was called Helm's Deep. Named after the Rohirrim king Helm Hammerhand, Helm's Deep and Dunharrow were Rohan's two major places of refuge during time of war. Helm's Deep referred to the entire fortified system which included the gorge, the Deeping Wall built across the gorge, the fortress of Hornburg, the cavern refuge known as Aglarond(the glittering caves) and the Deeping stream the flowed from the gorge.

markedel · 09-06-2002, 10:57 PM

I had to read TTT three times to really get that chapter in terms of visualizing locations. It creates in some ways, the feeling of battle.

06-27-2002, 10:56 AM	#1
SamwiseGamgeeOTS Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A quaint little hole which last time I checked was somewhere near Ohio, Middle-Earth. Posts: 165	Helm's Deep It seems to me in TTT that Helm's Deep is quite a vast setting. At one point they are fighting here, and then two seconds later they are fighting somewhere else. I'm just totally confuzed on what is happening here. __________________ "...Eragon recoiled in shock. Standing in front of him, licking off the membrane that encased it, was a dragon."

06-27-2002, 12:56 PM	#2
*Fat middle* Mootis per forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Spain Posts: 61,439	well, i cannot draw you a map, but i think that if you read it carefully you'll get things clear. first time i read it i had the same impression of being lost, and i think it's normal. Perhaps Tolkien made it on pupose: the battle takes place during a rainy night so the lack of exhaustive descriptions contribute to make us feel the confussion of the battle. the same, i think, happens in the passing of Moria. i a remember it right, i believe that before Helm's deep there is a fortress (a "castle"): the Hornburg. From this fortress part a great wall that closes the dale. the battle takes place both in the "castle" and in the wall. there's a door that leads from the "castle" to the wall but the wall can also be climbed up from the rear. during the battle Aragorn with Eomer make are forced to go out of the "castle" and come down before the wall because orcs are going to blow it away. ... well perhaps i've only confussed you more because i cannot remember things perfectly now BTW, last time i read it, i at last made myself a clear idea of the way the Company took in Moria __________________ Do not be hasty. That is my motto. Now we'll have a drink and go to the Entmoot.

06-27-2002, 07:20 PM	#4
SamwiseGamgeeOTS Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A quaint little hole which last time I checked was somewhere near Ohio, Middle-Earth. Posts: 165	Thanks you guys. That helped a lot (especially Fat Middle! ) Moria I think didn't confuze me that much. It actually made sense. I think that I'm going to re-read the series soon. Maybe I'll get it better the next time. Actually, I haven't even finished reading ROTK the first time. I'm on "The Seige of Gondor" and the Faramir just got hit by the arrow. Thanks a lot though you guyz. __________________ "...Eragon recoiled in shock. Standing in front of him, licking off the membrane that encased it, was a dragon."

09-06-2002, 10:57 PM	#9
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	I had to read TTT three times to really get that chapter in terms of visualizing locations. It creates in some ways, the feeling of battle. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

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06-27-2002, 04:44 PM	#3
The Warden of the Keys Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 19	Helm's Deep was the valley cut by the Deeping Stream and stretched from the caves of Anglarond to the Hornrock. At the point where the Deeping Stream left the valley, the Deeping Wall had been constructed between the Hornrock and the southern cliffs to enclose the valley (passing over the Deeping Stream which flowed out into the Deeping Coomb). Atop the Hornrock was built the Hornburg. Theoden's troops manned the Deeping Wall and the 'Burg' (along with the remnants of the Erkenbrand's men of Westfold). Hope this helps.

06-28-2002, 07:18 PM	#5
FrodoBagginsOTS Sapling Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 1	hey sam....Helm's Deep's cool. Never read it yo! check ya l8r alligator!

09-03-2002, 06:41 PM	#6
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	i thought helms deep was really confusing. oh my gosh. when i reread it it was a little clearer. but it is still confusing. and guess what? this is my hundredth post! and on a topic i dont like! i didnt like that chapter very much! how ironic! oh well. i liked the thing between gimli and legolas though... yay! hundredth post for me!

09-03-2002, 07:21 PM	#7
nazgul prince Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 58	Hey thanks fat middle i was lost on that chapter too.I read it three times to and it just got more confusing.Now i can pitcher it.

09-06-2002, 06:51 PM	#8
Dain Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 20	Helm's Deep The huge fortified gorge in the White Mountains in the Westfold of Rohan was called Helm's Deep. Named after the Rohirrim king Helm Hammerhand, Helm's Deep and Dunharrow were Rohan's two major places of refuge during time of war. Helm's Deep referred to the entire fortified system which included the gorge, the Deeping Wall built across the gorge, the fortress of Hornburg, the cavern refuge known as Aglarond(the glittering caves) and the Deeping stream the flowed from the gorge.