Elvish Questions

Yodaman · 12-26-2003, 09:53 AM

I just have one question- can Elves have affairs with another Elf while they are in love/married? Just wondering.

brownjenkins · 12-26-2003, 11:54 AM

tolkien's view of elves and relationships was very strict... even divorce seems to be somewhat unheard of, so i would think that affairs would be too... as a matter a fact, even sex among elves seems to be very rare and geared towards procreation only... of course, he was very catholic

Tuor of Gondolin · 12-26-2003, 11:01 PM

For a somewhat cheeky description of elves and sex you might want to check out.

http://www.ansereg.com/what_tolkien_...y_said_abo.htm
ex.:
"Then again, he does mention that Celeborn was “the lover of Galadriel, who she later wedded.” This comment does date back to an early set of notes when Celeborn’s name, in Quenya, was Teleporno. You can see why he changed that one." (History of Galadriel and Celeborn, UF)

Yodaman · 12-27-2003, 01:59 PM

I have another Q about elves: In the ROTK appendicies, it said Galadriel tore down the walls of Dol Gulur. How can she rip down wall unless with magic? And does Celeborn have a sword?

afro-elf · 12-27-2003, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Yodaman
I have another Q about elves: In the ROTK appendicies, it said Galadriel tore down the walls of Dol Gulur. How can she rip down wall unless with magic? And does Celeborn have a sword?

She did do it with magic.

Yodaman · 12-27-2003, 07:44 PM

Oh. But does Celeborn have a sword?

Elf Girl · 12-27-2003, 07:45 PM

I imagine. Why wouldn't he? Most Elf Lords did in those troubled times, I think.

Falagar · 12-27-2003, 07:51 PM

And I don't think anyone would survive either the first or the second age in Middle-earth without a sword.

Scondren · 12-27-2003, 08:08 PM

Or a spear

Yodaman · 12-27-2003, 08:27 PM

I also have a q that's sort of Elf related but it's more man related- What can Narsil/Andruil do? If can kill ghosts, what other bad a$$ qualities does it have? Can it deflect a Balrog sword? Etc? Thanks

Falagar · 12-27-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Yodaman
I also have a q that's sort of Elf related but it's more man related- What can Narsil/Andruil do? If can kill ghosts, what other bad a$$ qualities does it have? Can it deflect a Balrog sword? Etc? Thanks

Nothing that we know of (can't remember it killing ghosts, either).

Or at least nothing I can think of right now (though it did manage to kill Sauron).

Yodaman · 12-27-2003, 08:47 PM

In ROTK movie Aragorn deflected the King of the Dead's sword blow and held the sword up to his throat, so I think it can kill ghosts. I don't remember that in the book, though...

Elf Girl · 12-27-2003, 09:09 PM

Never trust movie canon!

I don't recall that in the books either, I suspect it was added for dramatic effect.

Yodaman · 12-27-2003, 10:55 PM

Which do you think Celeborn would have (based on his personality)- a sword or a spear?????????????????

Tuor of Gondolin · 12-27-2003, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Yodaman
I also have a q that's sort of Elf related but it's more man related- What can Narsil/Andruil do? If can kill ghosts, what other bad a$$ qualities does it have? Can it deflect a Balrog sword? Etc? Thanks
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As for killing ghosts, I think you may be thinking of Viggo's initial encounter with the King of the Dead (movie green slime), but remember, that's PJ's take on things. I don't know that it had any special powers. In the complete guide to Middle-earth Robert Foster comments: "Because of its heritage and its bearer, and because of its great brightness, Anduril quickly became a famous weapon."
Of course other swords (including Guthang, Sting, and Merry's sword) had interesting properties, so I imagine it's possible Anduril had some such Elvish or Dunedain imbued special property).

Elf Girl · 12-28-2003, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by Yodaman
Which do you think Celeborn would have (based on his personality)- a sword or a spear?????????????????

We don't know much about Celeborn, but I imagine he would have both, seeing as they are for different kinds of combat. And could you drop the multiple question marks, please?

Yodaman · 12-28-2003, 06:33 PM

Sorry

Lefty Scaevola · 12-28-2003, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by Yodaman
Which do you think Celeborn would have (based on his personality)- a sword or a spear?????????????????

The traditional weapons of the Sindarin warriors were the Axe and the Bow (Ther weapon nick name in a passage in HoME dealing with the dvision of the Eldar is "The Axe Elves"). Sealso references to their Axemen in Chap 18 of SIL, and to "The Axe and Mow of the Grey Elves" in the story of Tuor in UT. The upper class and great captains would usually also have swords. Thingol is metion to have one, and Beleg asks for one from Thingol to supplement his bow when he is going to adventure beyond Doriath. Thingol is mention to have rows of spears in his armory.
The other weapon nick names are
Noldor, "The Sword Elves"
Vanyar "The Spear Elves"
Nandor "The Bow Elves"

Artanis · 12-29-2003, 06:51 AM

Lefty, that's interesting, where in HoME can I find those nicks?

Falagar · 12-29-2003, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Lefty, that's interesting, where in HoME can I find those nicks?

I believe it is in HoMe XI, but I haven't read exactly that passage (if it is where Tolkien discuss the names and differences between the groups of Elves. I think it may be the essay named "Of the Eldar", but I'm not sure. There was a lot of etymology involved)

12-26-2003, 09:53 AM	#1
Yodaman Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Swamps of Dagobah Posts: 234	Elvish Questions I just have one question- can Elves have affairs with another Elf while they are in love/married? Just wondering. __________________ "What about second breakfast?"

12-26-2003, 11:54 AM	#2
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	tolkien's view of elves and relationships was very strict... even divorce seems to be somewhat unheard of, so i would think that affairs would be too... as a matter a fact, even sex among elves seems to be very rare and geared towards procreation only... of course, he was very catholic __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

12-26-2003, 11:01 PM	#3
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	For a somewhat cheeky description of elves and sex you might want to check out. http://www.ansereg.com/what_tolkien_...y_said_abo.htm ex.: "Then again, he does mention that Celeborn was “the lover of Galadriel, who she later wedded.” This comment does date back to an early set of notes when Celeborn’s name, in Quenya, was Teleporno. You can see why he changed that one." (History of Galadriel and Celeborn, UF) __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin : 12-26-2003 at 11:07 PM.

12-27-2003, 01:59 PM	#4
Yodaman Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Swamps of Dagobah Posts: 234	I have another Q about elves: In the ROTK appendicies, it said Galadriel tore down the walls of Dol Gulur. How can she rip down wall unless with magic? And does Celeborn have a sword? __________________ "What about second breakfast?"

12-27-2003, 07:44 PM	#6
Yodaman Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Swamps of Dagobah Posts: 234	Oh. But does Celeborn have a sword? __________________ "What about second breakfast?"

12-27-2003, 07:45 PM	#7
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I imagine. Why wouldn't he? Most Elf Lords did in those troubled times, I think. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium... Last edited by Elf Girl : 12-27-2003 at 07:50 PM.

12-27-2003, 07:51 PM	#8
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	And I don't think anyone would survive either the first or the second age in Middle-earth without a sword. __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

12-27-2003, 08:08 PM	#9
Scondren Sapling Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 6	Or a spear __________________ Scondren- Often wrong, never in doubt.

12-27-2003, 08:27 PM	#10
Yodaman Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Swamps of Dagobah Posts: 234	I also have a q that's sort of Elf related but it's more man related- What can Narsil/Andruil do? If can kill ghosts, what other bad a$$ qualities does it have? Can it deflect a Balrog sword? Etc? Thanks __________________ "What about second breakfast?"

12-27-2003, 08:47 PM	#12
Yodaman Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Swamps of Dagobah Posts: 234	In ROTK movie Aragorn deflected the King of the Dead's sword blow and held the sword up to his throat, so I think it can kill ghosts. I don't remember that in the book, though... __________________ "What about second breakfast?"

12-27-2003, 09:09 PM	#13
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Never trust movie canon! I don't recall that in the books either, I suspect it was added for dramatic effect. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

12-27-2003, 10:55 PM	#14
Yodaman Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Swamps of Dagobah Posts: 234	Which do you think Celeborn would have (based on his personality)- a sword or a spear????????????????? __________________ "What about second breakfast?"

12-27-2003, 11:07 PM	#15
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Originally posted by Yodaman I also have a q that's sort of Elf related but it's more man related- What can Narsil/Andruil do? If can kill ghosts, what other bad a$$ qualities does it have? Can it deflect a Balrog sword? Etc? Thanks ____________________________________ As for killing ghosts, I think you may be thinking of Viggo's initial encounter with the King of the Dead (movie green slime), but remember, that's PJ's take on things. I don't know that it had any special powers. In the complete guide to Middle-earth Robert Foster comments: "Because of its heritage and its bearer, and because of its great brightness, Anduril quickly became a famous weapon." Of course other swords (including Guthang, Sting, and Merry's sword) had interesting properties, so I imagine it's possible Anduril had some such Elvish or Dunedain imbued special property). __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

12-28-2003, 06:33 PM	#17
Yodaman Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Swamps of Dagobah Posts: 234	Sorry __________________ "What about second breakfast?"

12-29-2003, 06:51 AM	#19
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Lefty, that's interesting, where in HoME can I find those nicks? __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

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