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Gwaimir Windgem · 02-13-2003, 01:27 PM

It seems to have migrated to just Legolas.

To Elf.freak; isn't that the age he was in the movie, not the book?

To L@ury; sorry, I don't remember that. What was your basis for the age of 3019? That's interesting, because the War of the Ring ended in TA 3019.

Anywho, people mentioned the appendices, concerning Legolas and Arwen's dates of birth; a very good idea indeed!

Arwen was born in TA 241, it says.
Just a slightly-related sidenote, the Shadow fell on Greenwood c. 1050.
I went through up till the year Bilbo went on his adventure, and didn't see anything about Legolas.

Novbariel · 02-14-2003, 06:20 AM

hey, i tell you guys something... LEGOLAS IS IN THE HOBBIT!!!... well that's what i think.
because gloin remembered him during the Council of elrond. so he must be one of the elves who captured the dwarves in THE HOBBIT but his name wasn't mentioned.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-14-2003, 11:47 AM

I took that to just mean the Elves of Mirkwood, not him in particular.

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-16-2003, 01:46 PM

3019? I doubt it. That would mean he was born in the year that Sauron was over-thrown by the Last Alliance Thranduil was at war for 10 odd years, prior to that so he couldn't have got his groove on with Legolas's mom. Unless....

I think that he was under 1,000 years old. But that's just a rough guess.

Ithildin55 · 02-17-2003, 01:04 AM

As was stated several pages previously, there is no evidence that Tolkien ever stated an age for Legolas. The movie “assigned” him the age of 2931. The most logical estimates I have seen concerning his age place him about 600 – 1000 years old at the time of the War of the Ring. But that is only an estimate – Tolkien could have envisioned him being much older.

If you want a more thorough (and lengthy!) discussion of what is known (and not known) about Legolas’ family and age – you could check out my article at: http://woodrealm.tripod.com/legolasr...club/id34.html

Ithildin

Ithildin55 · 02-17-2003, 01:10 AM

And to expound a bit on the original question of this thread: re: Legolas’ reluctance to enter caves...
(Sorry, I don’t have the books handy, so couldn’t provide quotes on everything right now.)

A description of Thranduil’s (the Elvenking’s) Palace:
“Inside the passages were lit with red torch-light, and the elf-guards sang as they marched along the twisting, crossing, echoing paths. These were not like those of the goblin-cities; they were smaller, less deep underground and filled with a cleaner air. In a great hall with pillars hewn out of the living stone sat the Elvenking on a chair of carven wood.” The Hobbit

As someone mentioned, most of Thranduil’s subjects lived in the forest in and around the trees, not in the palace.
The king’s cave was his palace, and the strong place of his treasure, and the fortress of his people against their enemies.” The Hobbit

Of Legolas and caves...
I think Legolas’ reluctance to enter caverns is easily explained, even in the light of the fact that his father’s palace was also a cave. In LOTR Legolas expressed his desire to avoid entering Moria, but that was well known to be an evil place and a dwelling of Dwarves, with whom (up to that point) he had had little reason or desire to associate. Its tunnels wound much deeper and further under the mountains than did Thranduil’s halls and it probably had few if any openings to the outside air.

He later also made it clear to Gimli that he had no wish to enter Aglarond – until Gimli so exquisitely described the beauty to be found there. Then he promised to return with the Dwarf and tour the caves with him.

Legolas did not enjoy traversing the Paths of the Dead, though he emphasized that he did not fear the dead spirits. He endured the subterranean darkness there as he did in Moria because it was the road they needed to travel.

Ithildin

L@ur@y Elven Warrior · 02-25-2003, 02:12 PM

His age is 3019 on a website but they are wrong. My friend told my his age but I can't remember what she said.

Legoles · 04-10-2003, 08:34 PM

Some one stole my book so I cant check

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-10-2003, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by L@ur@y Elven Warrior
His age is 3019 on a website but they are wrong. My friend told my his age but I can't remember what she said.

His true age is unknown.

02-13-2003, 01:27 PM	#61
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	It seems to have migrated to just Legolas. To Elf.freak; isn't that the age he was in the movie, not the book? To L@ury; sorry, I don't remember that. What was your basis for the age of 3019? That's interesting, because the War of the Ring ended in TA 3019. Anywho, people mentioned the appendices, concerning Legolas and Arwen's dates of birth; a very good idea indeed! Arwen was born in TA 241, it says. Just a slightly-related sidenote, the Shadow fell on Greenwood c. 1050. I went through up till the year Bilbo went on his adventure, and didn't see anything about Legolas. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-14-2003, 06:20 AM	#62
Novbariel Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Ithilien Posts: 9	hey, i tell you guys something... LEGOLAS IS IN THE HOBBIT!!!... well that's what i think. because gloin remembered him during the Council of elrond. so he must be one of the elves who captured the dwarves in THE HOBBIT but his name wasn't mentioned. __________________ 'He stands not alone. You would die before your stroke fell.' --- Legolas

02-14-2003, 11:47 AM	#63
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I took that to just mean the Elves of Mirkwood, not him in particular. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-17-2003, 01:04 AM	#65
Ithildin55 Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 44	The Question of Legolas' Age... As was stated several pages previously, there is no evidence that Tolkien ever stated an age for Legolas. The movie “assigned” him the age of 2931. The most logical estimates I have seen concerning his age place him about 600 – 1000 years old at the time of the War of the Ring. But that is only an estimate – Tolkien could have envisioned him being much older. If you want a more thorough (and lengthy!) discussion of what is known (and not known) about Legolas’ family and age – you could check out my article at: http://woodrealm.tripod.com/legolasr...club/id34.html Ithildin __________________ “Well, I am going back into the open air, to see what the wind and sky are doing,” said Legolas. TTT Those who risk nothing – achieve nothing... STS-107 Columbia and Crew: Your Dream will live on. We will keep reaching for the stars. Last edited by Ithildin55 : 02-17-2003 at 01:12 AM.

02-17-2003, 01:10 AM	#66
Ithildin55 Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 44	Of Legolas and caves... And to expound a bit on the original question of this thread: re: Legolas’ reluctance to enter caves... (Sorry, I don’t have the books handy, so couldn’t provide quotes on everything right now.) A description of Thranduil’s (the Elvenking’s) Palace: “Inside the passages were lit with red torch-light, and the elf-guards sang as they marched along the twisting, crossing, echoing paths. These were not like those of the goblin-cities; they were smaller, less deep underground and filled with a cleaner air. In a great hall with pillars hewn out of the living stone sat the Elvenking on a chair of carven wood.” The Hobbit As someone mentioned, most of Thranduil’s subjects lived in the forest in and around the trees, not in the palace. The king’s cave was his palace, and the strong place of his treasure, and the fortress of his people against their enemies.” The Hobbit Of Legolas and caves... I think Legolas’ reluctance to enter caverns is easily explained, even in the light of the fact that his father’s palace was also a cave. In LOTR Legolas expressed his desire to avoid entering Moria, but that was well known to be an evil place and a dwelling of Dwarves, with whom (up to that point) he had had little reason or desire to associate. Its tunnels wound much deeper and further under the mountains than did Thranduil’s halls and it probably had few if any openings to the outside air. He later also made it clear to Gimli that he had no wish to enter Aglarond – until Gimli so exquisitely described the beauty to be found there. Then he promised to return with the Dwarf and tour the caves with him. Legolas did not enjoy traversing the Paths of the Dead, though he emphasized that he did not fear the dead spirits. He endured the subterranean darkness there as he did in Moria because it was the road they needed to travel. Ithildin __________________ “Well, I am going back into the open air, to see what the wind and sky are doing,” said Legolas. TTT Those who risk nothing – achieve nothing... STS-107 Columbia and Crew: Your Dream will live on. We will keep reaching for the stars.

02-16-2003, 01:46 PM	#64
Inderjit Sanghera Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England. Posts: 260	3019? I doubt it. That would mean he was born in the year that Sauron was over-thrown by the Last Alliance Thranduil was at war for 10 odd years, prior to that so he couldn't have got his groove on with Legolas's mom. Unless.... I think that he was under 1,000 years old. But that's just a rough guess.

02-25-2003, 02:12 PM	#67
L@ur@y Elven Warrior Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Halkirk Posts: 208	His age is 3019 on a website but they are wrong. My friend told my his age but I can't remember what she said. __________________ Ni melme legolas

04-10-2003, 08:34 PM	#68
Legoles Goddess of the evil smilies Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Somewhere where it's hot, and icky Posts: 1,587	Re: Legolas's age - the view from Ithlien Some one stole my book so I cant check __________________ BTW PADFOOT LIVES!

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