The Elves... - Page 2

nazgul prince · 09-03-2002, 05:02 PM

I thought most of the elves of mirkwood did not live in the cave at all.I thought most lived just outside,but in time of danger they would all go inside.Thran's cave was more of a sheltered fortress then a last homley house.And i belive legolas was born sometime before sauron came to mirkwood.Sometime before T.A 1000.

afro-elf · 09-04-2002, 08:17 AM

Actaully, Thran's hall were based on Menegoth which I believe were quite grand.

barrelrider110 · 09-04-2002, 04:17 PM

Legolas was merely joking with Gimli, probably in reference to their experience in the mines of Moria.

Nariel · 09-06-2002, 11:00 PM

but, barrelrider, Legolas didn't want to go into Moria in the first place. If he didn't mid caves, he would at least have not cared. Unless........

MAYBE he knew about the Balrog.........

barrelrider110 · 09-09-2002, 10:21 AM

True Nariel, but the Mines of Moria had a reputation as a bad place. None of the company was eager to go except for Gimli.

With regard to Legolas's thoughts on the Glittering caves, consider the following excerpt from TTT:

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My good Legolas, do you know that the caverns of Helm's Deep are vast and beautiful? There would be an endless pilgrimage of Dwarves, merely to gaze at them, if such things were known to be. Aye indeed, they would pay pure gold for a brief glance!'
'And I would give gold to be excused,' said Legolas; 'and double to be let out, if I strayed in!'
'You have not seen, so I forgive your jest,' said Gimli.

Aeryn · 09-12-2002, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Faramir
Perhaps Legolas wasn't born yet. Then his hatred of caves is probably what made him decide to go on adventures and leave home.

It says in LOTR that legolas has seen many trees grom from acorn to ruinous age. So he had to exist then. and I dont get where you think legolas hates caves. in return of the king (i believe) he was willing to go on the paths of the dead underground and gimli was not. ?

Linarryl · 10-19-2002, 01:37 PM

I don't think Legolas HATED caves, he probably just didn't feel so nice around them. Besides he's a wood elf!
*GO LEGOLAS!*

Miranda · 11-15-2002, 11:01 AM

Maybe Legolas had claustrophobia- common affliction- he can't be all perfect can he? As for his age there's a bit in TTT (can't remember precisely- its either just before Fangorn or just before they meet the riders but I could be wrong- no access to the books at school) when he speaks to Gimli and Aragorn and says something about "since I have been travelling with you children again." which must indicate he is quite old for considering everything Aragorn and Gimli have done they must be quite old. I know Peter Jackson sees him as two thousand nine hundred and thirty one but I'm not sure. Is there any indication of Arwen's age anywhere (I can't remember one) because I see them being of a similar age the equivilant of human mid twenties. Mx

Dunadan · 11-15-2002, 11:13 AM

The Appendices to ROTK have her birtday at about the year 200 of the Third Age, which would make her 2,800-ish during LOTR.

Now I know you will be able to sleep better with that useful information.

Miranda · 11-15-2002, 11:28 AM

Yes indeedie!!! No more tossing and turning thinking oh God how old is Legolas and how old is Arwen!!! Is he young for his age or getting passed it? You are my salvation Dunadan my friend! Mx

Novbariel · 11-16-2002, 02:26 AM

well i always thought Legolas' age is around 2000+. ah, that's just my opinion, no one cares anyway

[never thought Legolas age is around 500-,
probably too young for an Elf to set out on a perilous journey]

Miranda · 11-19-2002, 08:15 AM

I need some help with this elf thing. Who is Legolas' mother? Mx

Beleg Strongbow · 11-19-2002, 08:41 AM

Not specified. Wasn't Legolas's birthdate listed in the Appendix?

Miranda · 11-19-2002, 09:27 AM

Probably- don't have the books to hand at the moment and there's so much information in them its hard to remember what's what! I wish they did a family tree for the Mirkwood elves. I have one for Galadriel and Elrond etc but nothing for Legolas' peeps. He must be related to Galadriel etc some way but I can't find how and its really frustrating. He's such a great character but there isn't much about him personally in the books- will read them all again to check that I've not missed anything though. Mx

Novbariel · 11-23-2002, 09:49 PM

Legolas is probably related to Galadriel maybe because his father was once a kinsman of Celeborn in Doriath and Galadriel is Celeborn's wife, so does that make any sense, huh huh???

Miranda · 11-25-2002, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by Novbariel
Legolas is probably related to Galadriel maybe because his father was once a kinsman of Celeborn in Doriath and Galadriel is Celeborn's wife, so does that make any sense, huh huh???

Yeah thanks. Its just so annoying that I have so little information on his parentage as my fan fic is based on him and his title and its really hard to write about him without knowing his family history. If anyone has any insight into the world of Legolas Greenleaf let me know- actually I was wondering if he ever got married or if he was just some loner who hung out with a dwarf all his life!!! Mx

Duddun · 11-25-2002, 08:00 PM

Back to whether or not Legolas liked caves. I think he may have hated caves and have been one of the ones who lived in Mirkwood but not in the caves. He may have lived outside.

Sorry I can't find anything on Legolas's family, but then again I only looked very briefly.

Elf.Freak · 11-27-2002, 04:49 PM

actually, legolas is 2956 in FOTR (crazy fan girl, typical!

). anyways...what was the question?

Miranda · 11-27-2002, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Elf.Freak
actually, legolas is 2956 in FOTR (crazy fan girl, typical! ). anyways...what was the question?

Maybe you can help me oh fountain of all things Legolas-y!!! Do you know who Legolas' mother is (I know his Papa's Thranduil) and whether he has siblings, a wife, related to the other elves eg Galadriel etc? I've looked far and wide for the info but to no avail- help me!!!!!! Mx

Elvellon · 11-28-2002, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
In NONE of Tolkien's work is Legolas's age given. PJ in his Horrible Movie info somewhere makes him nearly 3,000. But Tolkien NEVER mentions his age.

True, but Legolas himself states he saw many a oak grow from sapling to a venerable tree, and that in Fangorn he felt young again. Given that oaks live, sometimes, over 800 years it would seem likely that he had 1000+ years by the time of the LotR.

09-04-2002, 08:17 AM	#22
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09-04-2002, 04:17 PM	#23
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09-06-2002, 11:00 PM	#24
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11-16-2002, 02:26 AM	#31
Novbariel Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Ithilien Posts: 9	well i always thought Legolas' age is around 2000+. ah, that's just my opinion, no one cares anyway [never thought Legolas age is around 500-, probably too young for an Elf to set out on a perilous journey] __________________ 'He stands not alone. You would die before your stroke fell.' --- Legolas

11-19-2002, 08:41 AM	#33
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	Not specified. Wasn't Legolas's birthdate listed in the Appendix? __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

09-03-2002, 05:02 PM	#21
nazgul prince Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 58	I thought most of the elves of mirkwood did not live in the cave at all.I thought most lived just outside,but in time of danger they would all go inside.Thran's cave was more of a sheltered fortress then a last homley house.And i belive legolas was born sometime before sauron came to mirkwood.Sometime before T.A 1000.

10-19-2002, 01:37 PM	#27
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	I don't think Legolas HATED caves, he probably just didn't feel so nice around them. Besides he's a wood elf! GO LEGOLAS!

11-15-2002, 11:01 AM	#28
Miranda 'Bohemian princess of Covent Garden Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Mill Posts: 544	Maybe Legolas had claustrophobia- common affliction- he can't be all perfect can he? As for his age there's a bit in TTT (can't remember precisely- its either just before Fangorn or just before they meet the riders but I could be wrong- no access to the books at school) when he speaks to Gimli and Aragorn and says something about "since I have been travelling with you children again." which must indicate he is quite old for considering everything Aragorn and Gimli have done they must be quite old. I know Peter Jackson sees him as two thousand nine hundred and thirty one but I'm not sure. Is there any indication of Arwen's age anywhere (I can't remember one) because I see them being of a similar age the equivilant of human mid twenties. Mx

11-15-2002, 11:13 AM	#29
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	The Appendices to ROTK have her birtday at about the year 200 of the Third Age, which would make her 2,800-ish during LOTR. Now I know you will be able to sleep better with that useful information.

11-15-2002, 11:28 AM	#30
Miranda 'Bohemian princess of Covent Garden Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Mill Posts: 544	Yes indeedie!!! No more tossing and turning thinking oh God how old is Legolas and how old is Arwen!!! Is he young for his age or getting passed it? You are my salvation Dunadan my friend! Mx

11-19-2002, 08:15 AM	#32
Miranda 'Bohemian princess of Covent Garden Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Mill Posts: 544	I need some help with this elf thing. Who is Legolas' mother? Mx

11-19-2002, 09:27 AM	#34
Miranda 'Bohemian princess of Covent Garden Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Mill Posts: 544	Probably- don't have the books to hand at the moment and there's so much information in them its hard to remember what's what! I wish they did a family tree for the Mirkwood elves. I have one for Galadriel and Elrond etc but nothing for Legolas' peeps. He must be related to Galadriel etc some way but I can't find how and its really frustrating. He's such a great character but there isn't much about him personally in the books- will read them all again to check that I've not missed anything though. Mx

11-23-2002, 09:49 PM	#35
Novbariel Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Ithilien Posts: 9	Legolas is probably related to Galadriel maybe because his father was once a kinsman of Celeborn in Doriath and Galadriel is Celeborn's wife, so does that make any sense, huh huh??? __________________ 'He stands not alone. You would die before your stroke fell.' --- Legolas

11-25-2002, 08:00 PM	#37
Duddun I Antha Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: You expect ME to know? Posts: 784	Back to whether or not Legolas liked caves. I think he may have hated caves and have been one of the ones who lived in Mirkwood but not in the caves. He may have lived outside. Sorry I can't find anything on Legolas's family, but then again I only looked very briefly. __________________ If you say my name I go "What?" If you say my name twice I go and look it up in the dictionary. **************************** I'm Not Evil! ************************** If the critics say it's good, is it really That good? ************************** It's a bird! It's a plane! No! It's a balloon! **************************** Duddun, Son of Bubbun

11-27-2002, 04:49 PM	#38
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