Trivia - Page 5

***azalea*** · 04-17-2002, 08:42 AM

Does it have to do w/ grey trees? or am I looking at it the wrong way?

Is it Gondor?

Blackheart · 04-17-2002, 10:24 AM

Well, it definately has to do with grey....

But not trees.

And it was supposed to be on hold...

barrelrider110 · 04-17-2002, 12:50 PM

Just like an orc to go out of turn, but since SLL is still thinking I will give it a shot. King Bladorthin was most likely a contemporary of Thror II, which would mean the Dunedain kingdoms were long gone. "Long since dead" means that he was not an elf (and besides no third age elf would have ordered arms from Dwarves) and his Kingdom was east of the Misty Mountains. It could have been Dale, but the lords of Dale up to the time of Girion were not called kings. Hmmm. The kingdom must have been close enough to Dale and Erebor to conduct trade.

Methinks his kingdom was Dorwinion, (where the Elves wine comes from). Gold inlaids are showy but not practical in battle, which would suggest his spears were probably just for show-- for parades and royal guards and stuff.

Gandalf's name was originally Bladorthin, but since its pronunciation is "bladder-thin" it sounded a bit too ridiculous for a wizard, so the professor changed it.

Confirm if I'm right or not, oh impetuous and brutish one, but nonetheless I will defer until SLL comes back, or wait a while.

Blackheart · 04-17-2002, 01:29 PM

Very good. Bladorthin was the name Tolkien considered for the grey one. The best complete translation I have seen is "grey one from the land of the Valar" but the Welsh elements are admitedly odd.

And Dorwinion is one of the best possible locations for his kingdom.... Though it is by no means certain.

Jar it's a trick qwestiun, what didja spect?

Strange-Looking Lurker · 04-19-2002, 05:46 PM

Ok, ok, I've got it!

Who was with Biblo just before he killed his first spider?

Aragorn_iz_cool · 04-19-2002, 06:18 PM

All the Dwarves

Blackheart · 04-20-2002, 12:56 AM

Umm, his first spider? giant spider or little one?

Giant spider would be no one, as it had caught him napping and partially bound his legs, forcing him to beat it off with his hands until he could draw his dagger, slash the webs on his legs- and stab the spider.

After which he named the dagger sting - wiped it off and put it in the sheath.

If memory serves me.

Strange-Looking Lurker · 04-20-2002, 09:08 PM

his first big spider. And yes, there was somebody with him!

TinuvielChild · 04-20-2002, 09:48 PM

was it fili or kili?

Blackheart · 04-20-2002, 11:38 PM

Well now was it just before, or during?

but really- I hope your not counting the precious.

Because one of the associated statements about killing the spider was that it made a real difference in Bilbo's self view, killing the spider all alone and by himself.

If I recall correctly, he fell asleep after being seperated from the dwarves at the woodelves night revel (the third or 4th time they tried to get some help- damnable elves) and woke up being wound in silk by a spider. And I don't remember any spiders being killed before that one....

And you can't count the spider either!

***azalea*** · 04-21-2002, 09:05 AM

It has to be either Sting or the Ring. (or the spider -- ???)

Strange-Looking Lurker · 04-21-2002, 10:48 AM

Yes, it's the spider! It's azalea's turn, 'cause Blackheart said that it couldn't be...so that doesn't really count.

And why couldn't it be?

***azalea*** · 04-21-2002, 01:47 PM

Very tricksy! Well, mine can't be found in the book, so I hope it's a fair question. Unless you have an original ed.

What episode of The Hobbit did Tolkein make changes to in later editions, making it different from the first published editions? (For extra credit, tell why ).

I have a hint if you need it.

Blackheart · 04-21-2002, 10:22 PM

BAh. No fair counting the spider, that's just ... bah.

I know WHY he changed it, but I'm not exactly sure which edition it was.

Ohhh- episode! Well hmm- which chapter is it when bilbo meets gollum the magical odd creature who had a ring he was going to give him as a reward for answering the riddles?

The original story dealt with the finding of the ring in a much different manner, gollum had actually offered to give him the ring as a reward for the riddle competition, but Bilbo had found it already and forced him to show him the way out.

Of course when he started to write the LOTR, this scenario would never do for the one ring. No one would offer it as a prize in a riddle competition. So he changed the story to the current version, and then in a very nice little stroke of genius, said that the original story was the lie that Bilbo told to cover the real circumstances of the finding, and to be rid of the title of thief.

Close enough?

***azalea*** · 04-22-2002, 08:33 AM

EXCELLENT! I found that to be very interesting when I read about it. You really know your Hobbit!

Blackheart · 04-22-2002, 09:40 AM

Well, I keep reading it for a bedtime story, and it makes me have funny dreams....

Does that mean I have to ask a riddle.. err question?

TinuvielChild · 04-22-2002, 12:48 PM

your turn Blackheart!

Blackheart · 04-22-2002, 01:18 PM

What have I got in my pocket?

Ohh no wait, someone used that already...

Hmmm. err scratch that...

Blackheart · 04-22-2002, 01:29 PM

ahh. Oh hell I don't know- an easy one then- How did Thorin get his surname Oakenshield?

TinuvielChild · 04-22-2002, 01:49 PM

oooh i know this one-hold on a mo.

In the battle of Azanulbizar (sp?), Thorin's shield got cut in two, so he threw it away and cut off a branch of an oak to use as both a shield and a club.

04-17-2002, 10:24 AM	#82
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Well, it definately has to do with grey.... But not trees. And it was supposed to be on hold... __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-17-2002, 12:50 PM	#83
barrelrider110 Peer of the realm of Sanguine Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ Posts: 798	Just like an orc to go out of turn, but since SLL is still thinking I will give it a shot. King Bladorthin was most likely a contemporary of Thror II, which would mean the Dunedain kingdoms were long gone. "Long since dead" means that he was not an elf (and besides no third age elf would have ordered arms from Dwarves) and his Kingdom was east of the Misty Mountains. It could have been Dale, but the lords of Dale up to the time of Girion were not called kings. Hmmm. The kingdom must have been close enough to Dale and Erebor to conduct trade. Methinks his kingdom was Dorwinion, (where the Elves wine comes from). Gold inlaids are showy but not practical in battle, which would suggest his spears were probably just for show-- for parades and royal guards and stuff. Gandalf's name was originally Bladorthin, but since its pronunciation is "bladder-thin" it sounded a bit too ridiculous for a wizard, so the professor changed it. Confirm if I'm right or not, oh impetuous and brutish one, but nonetheless I will defer until SLL comes back, or wait a while. __________________ “"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider," Fear Complacency! ___________________ Something under the bed is drooling Last edited by barrelrider110 : 04-17-2002 at 12:55 PM.

04-17-2002, 01:29 PM	#84
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Very good. Bladorthin was the name Tolkien considered for the grey one. The best complete translation I have seen is "grey one from the land of the Valar" but the Welsh elements are admitedly odd. And Dorwinion is one of the best possible locations for his kingdom.... Though it is by no means certain. Jar it's a trick qwestiun, what didja spect? __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... Last edited by Blackheart : 04-17-2002 at 01:35 PM.

04-19-2002, 05:46 PM	#85
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	Ok, ok, I've got it! Who was with Biblo just before he killed his first spider? __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

04-20-2002, 12:56 AM	#87
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Umm, his first spider? giant spider or little one? Giant spider would be no one, as it had caught him napping and partially bound his legs, forcing him to beat it off with his hands until he could draw his dagger, slash the webs on his legs- and stab the spider. After which he named the dagger sting - wiped it off and put it in the sheath. If memory serves me. __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-17-2002, 08:42 AM	#81
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Does it have to do w/ grey trees? or am I looking at it the wrong way? Is it Gondor?

04-19-2002, 06:18 PM	#86
Aragorn_iz_cool Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 119	All the Dwarves

04-20-2002, 09:08 PM	#88
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	his first big spider. And yes, there was somebody with him! __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

04-20-2002, 09:48 PM	#89
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	was it fili or kili? __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-20-2002, 11:38 PM	#90
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Well now was it just before, or during? but really- I hope your not counting the precious. Because one of the associated statements about killing the spider was that it made a real difference in Bilbo's self view, killing the spider all alone and by himself. If I recall correctly, he fell asleep after being seperated from the dwarves at the woodelves night revel (the third or 4th time they tried to get some help- damnable elves) and woke up being wound in silk by a spider. And I don't remember any spiders being killed before that one.... And you can't count the spider either! __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... Last edited by Blackheart : 04-20-2002 at 11:39 PM.

04-21-2002, 09:05 AM	#91
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	It has to be either Sting or the Ring. (or the spider -- ???)

04-21-2002, 10:48 AM	#92
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	Yes, it's the spider! It's azalea's turn, 'cause Blackheart said that it couldn't be...so that doesn't really count. And why couldn't it be? __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

04-21-2002, 01:47 PM	#93
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Very tricksy! Well, mine can't be found in the book, so I hope it's a fair question. Unless you have an original ed. What episode of The Hobbit did Tolkein make changes to in later editions, making it different from the first published editions? (For extra credit, tell why ). I have a hint if you need it. Last edited by azalea : 04-21-2002 at 01:49 PM.

04-21-2002, 10:22 PM	#94
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	BAh. No fair counting the spider, that's just ... bah. I know WHY he changed it, but I'm not exactly sure which edition it was. Ohhh- episode! Well hmm- which chapter is it when bilbo meets gollum the magical odd creature who had a ring he was going to give him as a reward for answering the riddles? The original story dealt with the finding of the ring in a much different manner, gollum had actually offered to give him the ring as a reward for the riddle competition, but Bilbo had found it already and forced him to show him the way out. Of course when he started to write the LOTR, this scenario would never do for the one ring. No one would offer it as a prize in a riddle competition. So he changed the story to the current version, and then in a very nice little stroke of genius, said that the original story was the lie that Bilbo told to cover the real circumstances of the finding, and to be rid of the title of thief. Close enough? __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-22-2002, 08:33 AM	#95
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	EXCELLENT! I found that to be very interesting when I read about it. You really know your Hobbit!

04-22-2002, 09:40 AM	#96
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Well, I keep reading it for a bedtime story, and it makes me have funny dreams.... Does that mean I have to ask a riddle.. err question? __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-22-2002, 12:48 PM	#97
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	your turn Blackheart! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-22-2002, 01:18 PM	#98
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	What have I got in my pocket? Ohh no wait, someone used that already... Hmmm. err scratch that... __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... Last edited by Blackheart : 04-22-2002 at 01:24 PM.

04-22-2002, 01:29 PM	#99
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	ahh. Oh hell I don't know- an easy one then- How did Thorin get his surname Oakenshield? __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-22-2002, 01:49 PM	#100
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	oooh i know this one-hold on a mo. In the battle of Azanulbizar (sp?), Thorin's shield got cut in two, so he threw it away and cut off a branch of an oak to use as both a shield and a club. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

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