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***RÃan*** · 05-11-2005, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beren3000

... Salah-el-deen (that's how it's pronounced if anyone's interested) ...

Thanks for the pronunciation notes (you would know better than anyone else here, I imagine!) - does that name mean anything that you know of? I guess the "el" gets dropped in the English pronunciation. Would you pronounce the "el" distinctly, or just kind of blur it into the next syllable?

Beren3000 · 05-12-2005, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

Thanks for the pronunciation notes (you would know better than anyone else here, I imagine!) - does that name mean anything that you know of? I guess the "el" gets dropped in the English pronunciation. Would you pronounce the "el" distinctly, or just kind of blur it into the next syllable?

Yes the name means "the goodness of religion".
And "el" would be "blurred into the next syllable", it would be pronounced Salahel Deen.

Captain Stern · 05-12-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spock

The actor who played "Imad" was born Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig El Abderahman El Mohammed Ahmed El Abdel Karim El Mahdi on November 21, 1965, in the Sudan. He first used the name "Siddig El Fadil" and then changed his name to Alexander Siddig.

That's Dr Bashir from Star Trek Deep Space Nine!

Spock · 05-12-2005, 03:51 PM

Yep, he's returning to his roots now.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-12-2005, 03:56 PM

i knew i recognised the name, in the first series of DS9, he was in the credits as Siddig el Fadil, wasn't he?, but from the second was when he changed to Alexander Siddig, yes?

Spock · 05-12-2005, 04:00 PM

Yep, the early years of the show he used the S.E.F. then later seasons changed it to read as it does now.

Manveru · 05-15-2005, 05:52 PM

i saw this movie last night and it was awesome. a great script, great actors, great action scenes. my only complaint wouldve been to put some more of liam neeson because he was so good in this movie (maybe some flashbacks in jerusalem.)

Ragnarok · 05-15-2005, 07:40 PM

It looks like it could be interesting.... I just hope they don't try to glorify the Crusades. I think its something Christians shouldn't be proud of.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-15-2005, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnarok

It looks like it could be interesting.... I just hope they don't try to glorify the Crusades. I think its something Christians shouldn't be proud of.

well said

Insidious Rex · 05-15-2005, 09:19 PM

They dont.

Lotesse · 05-15-2005, 10:27 PM

Just saw this film last night - I really enjoyed it. The battle & fight scenes are quite well done; I love swordfights so much. Also, the writing is compelling; all the noble things that get said are a pleasure to hear spoken. Alas, poor Orlando isn't given enough opportunity to speak, IMO; he's got far too many voiceless shots wherein he just "emotes" with that Legolas face... But I didn't mind so much, because it was such a beautiful show. It's very gratifying when the jerks in the movie get what's coming to them.

Falagar · 05-16-2005, 07:32 AM

Going to watch it later today, really looking foreward to it.

Rosie Gamgee · 05-16-2005, 02:43 PM

Saw it. Liked it very much. Well, sorta saw it. I missed the last five-ten minutes. *fumes* I had to go to this dance class and I was running late and had to leave. Only later did I find out it only had about ten minutes to go.
It was up there with Gladiator. Haven't really decided if it's better or worse or the same. The themes in the story were real thought-provoking without actually pushing a particular view, which I liked. The bit about everyone getting

stabbed in the throat

was a little redundant. I was very impressed with Orlando though. He surprised me in Pirates, going from the prissy elf with the "I can feel it" lines to Will's boyish bravado. This man (note: man) he played was totally convincing, I thought. I didn't think he had a heartbroken-widower-trying-to-save-his-soul in him. Everyone else's acting was superb, from Liam to whoever it was that played Saladin.... Yeah, I think it was as good as Gladiator.

Lotesse · 05-16-2005, 02:47 PM

Ahhh, Rosie, you gotta go back and see the ending! You'll like how Orlando wraps up his character, I think. I'm going with my boyfriend and see it again; even HE enjoyed it and he's the world's most cynical critic.

Insidious Rex · 05-16-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosie Gamgee

This man (note: man) he played was totally convincing

Really? I wonder if you saw the same movie I saw.

Lotesse · 05-16-2005, 04:50 PM

Rex, your sarcasm is delicious... love it! I appreciated Bloom's portrayal, for what it was, but I'll have to admit, he still retains most of his boyishness - not yet truly a man, but he's got some growing up to do yet, I suppose.

Rosie Gamgee · 05-17-2005, 01:41 PM

Lotesse: I would go see it again, but it's my mum's birthday and I'm seriously broke.

Rex: Well... okay, so maybe my 'review' was a little too shiny. Yeah, he's still got a bit of growing up to do. But I didn't think he had any of that in him, and I was surprised to see him do it so well. No, I don't think it's really near Crowe in Gladiator, but it was an excellent start as his first major role.

sun-star · 05-31-2005, 03:33 PM

I finally saw it, and it wasn't as bad as I expected. Nothing was too irritating (can you tell that my expectations were pretty low?

), not even the fact that Orlando Bloom mistakes a sulky expression for character depth. It managed to avoid most of the cliches of Hollywood historical 'epics' - the romance was almost non-existent, the battle scenes weren't too long, and there weren't many glaring modernisms in the script. It didn't even seem too long as a film. Sure, bits of it were rather silly. Bloom's speech before the battle... does no one understand rhetoric any more? You can't get people to go to their deaths by saying 'this is stupid and it doesn't matter who wins, but let's fight anyway'! The eve of battle is not the time for moral complexity - which is really out of place in the time period anyway, since I don't believe a character of his background and education (i.e. none) would have been so ready to question what he had been taught. The religious questions were dealt with in a fairly perfunctory way, and of course the priests are sly and duplicitous - as a Catholic I should be used to that by now from Hollywood. But overall, it was quite inoffensive as a film, and probably well-meaning enough.

Manveru · 06-14-2005, 10:11 PM

i heard when its released on video/dvd that Ridley Scott is putting an extra hour back into the film. cant wait!

Lenya · 06-27-2005, 05:53 AM

It was much better that I expected. And I was actually mildly impressed with Orlando Bloom - he didn't have the same act as in every other movie he has played in.
I loved the part where they pulled the siege towers over!

05-12-2005, 03:51 PM	#44
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Yep, he's returning to his roots now. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

05-12-2005, 04:00 PM	#46
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Yep, the early years of the show he used the S.E.F. then later seasons changed it to read as it does now. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

05-15-2005, 05:52 PM	#47
Manveru Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 256	i saw this movie last night and it was awesome. a great script, great actors, great action scenes. my only complaint wouldve been to put some more of liam neeson because he was so good in this movie (maybe some flashbacks in jerusalem.) __________________ Earendel arose where the shadow flows At Ocean's silent brim; Through the mouth of night as a ray of light Where the shores are sheer and dim He launched his bark like a silver spark From the last and lonely sand; Then on sunlit breath of day's fiery death He sailed from Westerland

05-15-2005, 09:19 PM	#50
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	They dont. __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

05-15-2005, 10:27 PM	#51
Lotesse of the House of FÃ«anor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	Just saw this film last night - I really enjoyed it. The battle & fight scenes are quite well done; I love swordfights so much. Also, the writing is compelling; all the noble things that get said are a pleasure to hear spoken. Alas, poor Orlando isn't given enough opportunity to speak, IMO; he's got far too many voiceless shots wherein he just "emotes" with that Legolas face... But I didn't mind so much, because it was such a beautiful show. It's very gratifying when the jerks in the movie get what's coming to them. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

05-12-2005, 03:56 PM	#45
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	i knew i recognised the name, in the first series of DS9, he was in the credits as Siddig el Fadil, wasn't he?, but from the second was when he changed to Alexander Siddig, yes?

05-15-2005, 07:40 PM	#48
Ragnarok Rohirrim Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PA Posts: 590	It looks like it could be interesting.... I just hope they don't try to glorify the Crusades. I think its something Christians shouldn't be proud of.

05-16-2005, 07:32 AM	#52
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Going to watch it later today, really looking foreward to it. __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

05-16-2005, 02:47 PM	#54
Lotesse of the House of FÃ«anor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	Ahhh, Rosie, you gotta go back and see the ending! You'll like how Orlando wraps up his character, I think. I'm going with my boyfriend and see it again; even HE enjoyed it and he's the world's most cynical critic. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

05-16-2005, 04:50 PM	#56
Lotesse of the House of FÃ«anor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	Rex, your sarcasm is delicious... love it! I appreciated Bloom's portrayal, for what it was, but I'll have to admit, he still retains most of his boyishness - not yet truly a man, but he's got some growing up to do yet, I suppose. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

05-17-2005, 01:41 PM	#57
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	Lotesse: I would go see it again, but it's my mum's birthday and I'm seriously broke. Rex: Well... okay, so maybe my 'review' was a little too shiny. Yeah, he's still got a bit of growing up to do. But I didn't think he had any of that in him, and I was surprised to see him do it so well. No, I don't think it's really near Crowe in Gladiator, but it was an excellent start as his first major role. __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

05-31-2005, 03:33 PM	#58
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I finally saw it, and it wasn't as bad as I expected. Nothing was too irritating (can you tell that my expectations were pretty low? ), not even the fact that Orlando Bloom mistakes a sulky expression for character depth. It managed to avoid most of the cliches of Hollywood historical 'epics' - the romance was almost non-existent, the battle scenes weren't too long, and there weren't many glaring modernisms in the script. It didn't even seem too long as a film. Sure, bits of it were rather silly. Bloom's speech before the battle... does no one understand rhetoric any more? You can't get people to go to their deaths by saying 'this is stupid and it doesn't matter who wins, but let's fight anyway'! The eve of battle is not the time for moral complexity - which is really out of place in the time period anyway, since I don't believe a character of his background and education (i.e. none) would have been so ready to question what he had been taught. The religious questions were dealt with in a fairly perfunctory way, and of course the priests are sly and duplicitous - as a Catholic I should be used to that by now from Hollywood. But overall, it was quite inoffensive as a film, and probably well-meaning enough. __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

06-14-2005, 10:11 PM	#59
Manveru Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 256	i heard when its released on video/dvd that Ridley Scott is putting an extra hour back into the film. cant wait! __________________ Earendel arose where the shadow flows At Ocean's silent brim; Through the mouth of night as a ray of light Where the shores are sheer and dim He launched his bark like a silver spark From the last and lonely sand; Then on sunlit breath of day's fiery death He sailed from Westerland

06-27-2005, 05:53 AM	#60
Lenya ElentÃ¡ri Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	It was much better that I expected. And I was actually mildly impressed with Orlando Bloom - he didn't have the same act as in every other movie he has played in. I loved the part where they pulled the siege towers over!

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