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Old 06-28-2007, 04:26 AM   #1
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Constitutional Convention of Entmoot

The time has come, Comrades, to shine forth with brilliance over all of the other message boards. It is here, ladies, gentlemen, comrades and friends, that I, trolls' bane, that we, Entmooters like you and I, will debate and decide upon those articles that will appear in the Declaration of Principles and Constitution of the Free Socialist Empire of Entmoot. Though I have much of it written out in my head, and will post it as I figure it out, in a form that I feel is fair and just and in agreement with our united ideology, it is your national duty to help me shape it in a form which you think will best serve the interests of Entmooters everywhere.

I have provided the Preamble, which, thus far, is the only completed part of the constitution. The next part, which will skip to the end, will display the (Insert final number here) Commandments, the colloquism of the Entmoot Bill of Rights.

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When in the course of events of Men, Women, Elves, Ents, Hobbits, Martians, Vulcans, etcetera, etcetera, it becomes clear the need to peacably or otherwise overthrow an old order and reorganize and restructure it into a new one, and to assume among the Powers of the Universe, a united and equal station the Laws of Nature, Physics and of Nature and Physics' God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of Mooterkind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Reorganization.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all accounts are registered equal, that they are endowed by their Ben with certain unalienable Rights and Commandments, which it is the purpose of this document to bring forth into light. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituting among Mooters, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Goverend, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mooterkind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.
We the constituent members of the United Socialist Empire of Entmoot, in order to form a more perfect Forum, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves, and our Prosperity, do ordain and establish this constitution for a greater Entmoot, under Ben. In doing so, it is our hope to establish a non-theocratic government of a democratic, quasi-socialist nature. We below soldify the place of Entmoot in the Universe.
We, the Entmootian people, acting through our duly elected representatives in the Entmoot Government, do proclaim that sovereign power resides with the people and do firmly establish this Constitution. Government is a sacred trust of the people, the authority for which is derived from the people, the powers of which are exercised by the representatives of the people, and the benefits of which are enjoyed by the people. This is a universal principle of mankind upon which this Constitution is founded. We reject and revoke all constitutions, laws, ordinances, and rescripts in conflict herewith.
We, the Entmootian people, desire peace for all time and are deeply conscious of the high ideals controlling human (or otherwise) relationship, and we have determined to preserve our security and existence, trusting in the justice and faith of the peace-loving peoples of the world. We desire to occupy an honored place in an international society striving for the preservation of peace, and the banishment of tyranny and slavery, oppression and intolerance for all time from the earth. We recognize that all peoples of the world have the right to live in peace, free from fear and want.
We stand by our ultimate goal, to bring the Universe into unity.
In addition to this declaration, the Conventions of a number of Mooters, having before the time of their adopting of this Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extednging to the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of this institution.
A spectre is haunting the world. The spectre of Entmoot. We stand united in our declaration.
ENTMOOTERS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!
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Old 06-28-2007, 07:59 AM   #2
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This is not a democracy. This is a dictatorship.

In this particular forum, MY dictatorship.


MwahAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.


So don't get too frisky, or I'll shut down your little republic like Einstein shut down the theory of relativity.

... or whoever came up with that. Too busy ruling my forum to check.





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Old 06-28-2007, 08:17 AM   #3
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This is not a democracy. This is a dictatorship.

In this particular forum, MY dictatorship.


MwahAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.


So don't get too frisky, or I'll shut down your little republic like Einstein shut down the theory of relativity.

... or whoever came up with that. Too busy ruling my forum to check.





Hey, don't worry. Ben doesn't owe me that big a favor yet. I only built his private luxury yatch for him.

EDIT: I love your location, by the way.
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Old 06-28-2007, 02:41 PM   #4
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[..]it becomes clear the need to peacably or otherwise overthrow an old order and reorganize and restructure it into a new one,[..]
Out with the old... Does that mean I'm out of a job?

I'm not big on laws and politics, but I want the right to free virtual chocolate and tea for all mooters to be inalienable.
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Old 06-28-2007, 04:52 PM   #5
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Out with the old... Does that mean I'm out of a job?

I'm not big on laws and politics, but I want the right to free virtual chocolate and tea for all mooters to be inalienable.
No, you're not out of a job. Quite the contrary, you will be playing an important, albeit more limited, part as the Judiciary branch, or rather, Judiciary council, whose purpose will be elaborated upon later. You are the Militia. You are law enforcement! What is a free Entmoot without law and order?

Excellent! It shall be the fourteenth commandment, if you remind me when that part comes up.
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Old 06-29-2007, 12:32 AM   #6
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I love Entmoot so much, I want to become a Citizen, not just a member.
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:08 PM   #7
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I officially register my abstention from taking part in this political endeavour, as I object on grounds relating to political philosophy, and I think "socialist empire" is an oxymoron.
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:26 PM   #8
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I officially register my abstention from taking part in this political endeavour, as I object on grounds relating to political philosophy, and I think "socialist empire" is an oxymoron.
I disagree.

"Socialist empire" is almost a cliche. Socialist countries have been very fond of empire building, at least in recent centeries.

I'm not ratifying anything so ponderously written.
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:55 PM   #9
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How do you suggest I write it, then?
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Old 06-29-2007, 05:15 PM   #10
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It may be a cliche, but that doesn't keep it from being an oxymoron.
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Old 06-29-2007, 05:23 PM   #11
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Well, it's a good thing, then. I mean, come on, it's not like we're going to seize your profiles and make them public property.

Wait until you've read the entire thing.
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Old 06-29-2007, 07:26 PM   #12
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I don't have to. I've already found a number of points which contain political philosophy I cannot accept. Anyway, be happy: no nation is complete without a bohemian set.
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Old 06-29-2007, 08:26 PM   #13
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I don't have to. I've already found a number of points which contain political philosophy I cannot accept. Anyway, be happy: no nation is complete without a bohemian set.
...er...I guess not.

I'm almost afraid to ask what political philosophy you can accept.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:45 PM   #14
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I'd personally prefer an anarcho-syndicalistic empire. Otherwise, I'd say it rocks!
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:02 AM   #15
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I'd personally prefer an anarcho-syndicalistic empire. Otherwise, I'd say it rocks!
Tabby's funny.

He confesses socialist leanings, and yet, he's got libertarian-objectivist written all over him.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:05 AM   #16
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I prefer a sadistic dictatorship. It makes life SO MUCH FUN.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:27 AM   #17
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Tabby's funny.

He confesses socialist leanings, and yet, he's got libertarian-objectivist written all over him.
Well, I'm not sure what the second one means, but I'm very much my own person, as you indirectly pointed out.
Hence, the Brendonianist Party.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:16 PM   #18
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I too officially register my abstention from taking part in this political endeavour. It is a pitiable waste of time.
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:14 PM   #19
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I'm not so much concerned with the time-wasting aspect; I can't do something productive ALL the time!

And you rightly ought to fear my political philosophy, TB.
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:21 PM   #20
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As a hint, I highlight below the objectionable bits of the preamble:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all accounts are registered equal,...deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed,...laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness....In doing so, it is our hope to establish a non-theocratic government of a democratic, quasi-socialist nature. We below soldify the place of Entmoot in the Universe.
We, the Entmootian people, acting through our duly elected representatives in the Entmoot Government, do proclaim that sovereign power resides with the people and do firmly establish this Constitution. Government is a sacred trust of the people, the authority for which is derived from the people, the powers of which are exercised by the representatives of the people, and the benefits of which are enjoyed by the people.
We, the Entmootian people, desire peace for all time and are deeply conscious of the high ideals controlling human (or otherwise) relationship, and we have determined to preserve our security and existence, trusting in the justice and faith of the peace-loving peoples of the world. We desire to occupy an honored place in an international society striving for the preservation of peace, and the banishment of tyranny and slavery, oppression and intolerance for all time from the earth. We recognize that all peoples of the world have the right to live in peace, free from fear and want.
We stand by our ultimate goal, to bring the Universe into unity.
In addition to this declaration, the Conventions of a number of Mooters, having before the time of their adopting of this Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extednging to the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of this institution.
A spectre is haunting the world. The spectre of Entmoot. We stand united in our declaration.
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