What All Was Wrong with PJ's LOTR

[Curufin]

Originally Posted by The Dread Pirate Roberts

That's why I was careful to say "the great majority." I first typed "all" then changed it to "almost everything" and finally decided on "the great majority." There is good stuff in HoME but clearly most of the best of it went into The Silmarillion first, and Unfinished Tales second.

[Note: I'm going to read Athrabeth this weekend. I'll be glad to speak to it further during the course of next week.]

Start a thread here! I'd love to have one.

[Jon S.]

There are already two Athrabeth threads already ongoing in the ME section.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

They were dead threads Val just resurrected. Hail Valendil!

[Jon S.]

Proof that resurrection is real.

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by Jon S.

Proof that resurrection is real.

Only if you concede Val is God. Otherwise, it's just an analogy.

[Nautipus]

Hmm, yes an analogy, you say?

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

Only if you concede Val is God. Otherwise, it's just an analogy.

I'll go all the way up to "High King"... but not beyond that. So yes, it must be an analogy.

Besides... they weren't really dead, just buried. Buried alive!? And actually, anyone who found them could have bumped them just the same.

[Jon S.]

Jeez (pardon the expression ) - can't a man post a joke in these parts anymore?!

Back to the movie. Remember, outside Moria, when Pippin throws the rock into the black pond? Is my recollection correct, this foggy (in more ways than one) Monday morning, that in the book it was Frodo who threw it?

[Curufin]

Nope, it's Boromir.

'Do not let him run away!' said Boromir. 'It seems that we shall need him still, if the wolves do not find us. How I hate this foul pool!' He stooped and picking up a large stone he cast it far into the dark water.' ~A Journey in the Dark

Stupid Men.

You don't see Legolas doing stuff like that, and he's even Sindar

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by Jon S.

Jeez (pardon the expression ) - can't a man post a joke in these parts anymore?!

Spend more time in the general forum and you might be able to keep up with the jokes.

[Curufin]

Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

Spend more time in the general forum and you might be able to keep up with the jokes.

No, Jon S., stay in the lit forums.

Lit forums are better.

Lit forums rock.

[Gordis]

Originally Posted by Curufin

Stupid Men.

You don't see Legolas doing stuff like that, and he's even Sindar

I like him for things like that - why can't a man vent his anger on something when the oh-so-wise leader Gandalf spends an eternity trying to open a stupid door. As for Legolas, he was a sissy anyway.

[Curufin]

Originally Posted by Gordis

I like him for things like that - why can't a man vent his anger on something when the oh-so-wise leader Gandalf spends an eternity trying to open a stupid door.

As for Legolas, he was a sissy anyway.

No arguments from me on that. Stupid Sindar.

First Thingol, then Legolas.

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by Gordis

I like him for things like that - why can't a man vent his anger on something when the oh-so-wise leader Gandalf spends an eternity trying to open a stupid door.

You have to figure, poor Boromir must have been so uncomfortable by then. The ring always calling, and not really understanding the plan, to start with, and being suddenly so subordinate to a shaggy old stranger who was going to be king, and Gandalf stuck... must have been so hard for him.

As for Legolas, he was a sissy anyway.

Not in the book. He was youthful...before JRR decided that he'd rewrite all the elves as dull.

[Curufin]

before JRR decided that he'd rewrite all the elves as dull.

*decides to give Sis the benefit of the doubt, figuring she can't possibly be referring to Tolkien's post-Lord of the Rings writings adding dimension and scope and beauty to the history of the Eldar*

*sigh*

Nope, I think she is doing that indeed.

In which case, she has earned a bit:

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by Curufin

the history of the Eldar*

*whispers*see, this is why you don't need me up here. I am so suspicious of the creation of 'history' here. I can talk about the structure of the LoTR. I can talk about mythology that relates to it. I can talk about character motivations. But I'm not a believer.

I live in a place with a great devotion to its history. I know how easily that stuff gets re-written, even irl.

[Curufin]

But differing opinions are a good thing.

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by Curufin

But differing opinions are a good thing.

I agree. But I'm not in the business of hurting feelings for no reason, and that's where it would wind up.

I'm all about happy.

[Jon S.]

P.S. Even if it was to emphasize to Eomer (who we know was suspicious of Galadrial and her kin), "Here is an Elf but not to worry, he's not one of hers, Aragorn could still have said, 'Legolas, son of Thranduil of the Woodland Realm." So there must have been something else going on, e.g., were Legolas and Thranduil estranged?

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Maybe it just got too much like the begats.