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double helix · 08-28-2002, 05:42 PM

So Melkor went bad because he wanted all of the power. Why would melkor hide if he is the strongest physicaly over all of them and i thought Eru made the elves look like the aniur. this forum is very helpful!

Bertuthiel · 08-28-2002, 08:17 PM

I think Melkor was afraid that the Valar would gang up on him, and so they did. There is power in numbers.

double helix · 08-28-2002, 09:20 PM

I think melkor could take them all at once thats why tulkas came to help with the battle

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 08-28-2002, 09:53 PM

Eru did not make the Elves to look like the Ainur. He made them to be like the Ainur in spirit.

Urksnik the Sleek · 08-29-2002, 03:27 PM

When the Ainur appeared in physical form, they chose to appear similar to the Elves, who were the Children of Illuvatar closest to the hearts of the Valar, rather than the other way round.

entss89 · 09-05-2002, 04:49 PM

im so with sister golden hair you rule! oh and i even nedded a little help on that ?

Lefty Scaevola · 09-21-2002, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by double helix
Why would melkor hide if he is the strongest physicaly over all of them

"Ther is nothing greater in Arda than the power of Melkor, yet he alone of the Valar knew fear."

Dolenloteiel · 10-11-2002, 08:40 PM

Lefty, that's soo true. But even if he knew fear, and he wanted power, then even if he did defeat the Valar, wouldn't he have to deal with Eru himself?? or...

sorry if I'm not making sense here...

Reumandar · 10-25-2002, 09:12 PM

How did Melkor know fear?
I think that was the problem too

Arien the Maia · 01-24-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by double helix
So Melkor went bad because he wanted all of the power. Why would melkor hide if he is the strongest physicaly over all of them and i thought Eru made the elves look like the aniur. this forum is very helpful!

Melkor wanted the Flame Imperrishable that only Eru had. I think that MElkor was the greatest vala but that Tulkas was the strongest of all the vala physically. It does say that Tulkas came and wrestled with Melkor and Melkor has always disliked Tulkas' laughter.

The Elves are like the ainur in spirit but there bodies are made from the earth and can be destroyed.

Reumandar · 01-24-2003, 07:03 PM

Why does it say Manwë was most powerful and that Melkor was almost as powerful as him and that was why they were almost like brothers?(or something like that

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***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-24-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Reumandar
Why does it say Manwë was most powerful and that Melkor was almost as powerful as him and that was why they were almost like brothers?(or something like that)

It doesn't say that Manwe was the most powerful.

From the Silmarillion, Houghton Mifflin edition, 1977

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Manwe and Melkor were brethren in the thought of Illuvatar. The mightiest of these Ainur who came into the World was in his beginning Melkor; but Manwe is dearest to Iluvatar and understands most clearly his purposes.

Reumandar · 01-25-2003, 07:15 PM

OOHhhh
ok now I understand
thanks

Lord Manafirogh · 02-08-2003, 03:55 PM

Melkor was most powerfull because he was not limmited to use his powers, where as the other valar could only use their powers to a certain degree. This is what i think anyway. Melkor knew that he couldn't take all the valar at once because they would over power him.

Fingolfin_1st · 02-12-2003, 02:55 PM

Thats very true manafirogh melkor could not defeat the valar alone even if he was the greatest and that is why he alone of them knew fear. The good valar did not know fear becausr they had nothing TO fear.what could Melkor do to all of them??

Plus when melkor took physical form as a dark lord he lost some of his power as hurin said to him.He couldnt go among the people of beleriand anymore and cloud their minds with lies. which in the end caused most damage.

08-28-2002, 05:42 PM	#1
double helix Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 7	help So Melkor went bad because he wanted all of the power. Why would melkor hide if he is the strongest physicaly over all of them and i thought Eru made the elves look like the aniur. this forum is very helpful!

08-28-2002, 08:17 PM	#2
Bertuthiel Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 14	I think Melkor was afraid that the Valar would gang up on him, and so they did. There is power in numbers. __________________ Evil were the Cats of Queen Beruthiel. "Max! Zap! Oden, get off me! Agggghhhhh!"

08-28-2002, 09:20 PM	#3
double helix Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 7	melkor I think melkor could take them all at once thats why tulkas came to help with the battle Last edited by double helix : 08-28-2002 at 09:21 PM.

08-29-2002, 03:27 PM	#5
Urksnik the Sleek Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: under the misty mountains Posts: 33	When the Ainur appeared in physical form, they chose to appear similar to the Elves, who were the Children of Illuvatar closest to the hearts of the Valar, rather than the other way round. __________________ The world was fair, the mountains tall In Elder Days before the fall Of mighty kings in Nargothrond And Gondolin, who now beyond The Western Seas have passed away The world was fair in Durin's Day.

10-11-2002, 08:40 PM	#8
Dolenloteiel I elenfea Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Somewhere in the chaos between the first and second ages! (Actually, CO) Posts: 556	Lefty, that's soo true. But even if he knew fear, and he wanted power, then even if he did defeat the Valar, wouldn't he have to deal with Eru himself?? or... sorry if I'm not making sense here... __________________ "Middle Earth is a real place. And it is New Zealand." Sir Ian McKellan **************************** QUESTION AUTHORITY Ask me anything ************************** "I have not failed, I've only found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison ************************** Visit Tolkien RP Site! Need members, RP all three Ages! (UNDER CONSTRUCTION) http://elvellon.suddenlaunch2.com **************************** "Yay, I can hear the voices in my head again!

08-28-2002, 09:53 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Eru did not make the Elves to look like the Ainur. He made them to be like the Ainur in spirit.

09-05-2002, 04:49 PM	#6
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	im so with sister golden hair you rule! oh and i even nedded a little help on that ?

10-25-2002, 09:12 PM	#9
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	How did Melkor know fear? I think that was the problem too __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun

01-24-2003, 07:03 PM	#11
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	Why does it say Manwë was most powerful and that Melkor was almost as powerful as him and that was why they were almost like brothers?(or something like that) __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun

01-25-2003, 07:15 PM	#13
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	OOHhhh ok now I understand thanks __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun

02-08-2003, 03:55 PM	#14
Lord Manafirogh Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London Posts: 187	Melkor was most powerfull because he was not limmited to use his powers, where as the other valar could only use their powers to a certain degree. This is what i think anyway. Melkor knew that he couldn't take all the valar at once because they would over power him.

02-12-2003, 02:55 PM	#15
Fingolfin_1st Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: i live where i am Posts: 122	Thats very true manafirogh melkor could not defeat the valar alone even if he was the greatest and that is why he alone of them knew fear. The good valar did not know fear becausr they had nothing TO fear.what could Melkor do to all of them?? Plus when melkor took physical form as a dark lord he lost some of his power as hurin said to him.He couldnt go among the people of beleriand anymore and cloud their minds with lies. which in the end caused most damage. __________________ www.zippit.com.org