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03-16-2018, 12:13 AM | #1 | ||||||||
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This “Machete Order” is the order in which I watch Star Wars. Unlike the author of the webpage, I usually watch Phantom Menace, too, although I agree with her that the midichlorian and virgin birth ideas are useless distractions: If you’re gonna invoke magic, just invoke magic. And I really like Rogue One: I like the way it leads into the original Star Wars film from 1977, so I’d add it before watching Return of the Jedi in the very end. (I don’t like the title New Hope). Quote:
Leia’s remembering her mother Padme is a plot hole, more like a plot contradiction. It would have been more satisfying had Padme escaped for a while to Alderaan and subsequently died while Leia was still very young. For plot holes, however, Vader, one of the most Force-sensitive people in the unnamed Galaxy far, far away doesn’t recognize his daughter, or even that the girl is Force-sensitive. I mean, Luke was at least at more than arm’s length - in another space ship while fighting a pitched battle - while Leia was right in front of him, literally at arm’s length, while she was interrogated by a mind probe, and right up against him when Grand Moff Tarkin ordered Alderaan destroyed. (I guess that makes Darth Vader every teenage girl’s version of Death Father: first the interrogation of where have you been, who have you seen, what did you do, and then, I’m blowing up your home.) Quote:
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You know, Insidious Rex, Jedi and Sith alike seem to have a pretty loose concept of “truth”. Sith just outright lie, like Sauron, while Jedi are more creative in bending the truth; neither of them is “honest” in the conventional, old-fashioned, traditional (or strictly legal) sense of the word. Quote:
Lucas is writing his version of the Hero Journey he learned from reading mythologist Joseph Campbell’s Hero with a Thousand Faces. Campbell argued that all hero stories are essentially identical. (Tolkien argued they are similar, not identical, and hated the fairy tale/myth classifications that arose in the twentieth century that devolved Grimm’s fairy tales into neat lettered-and-numbered classifications.) It an excellent book, and Campbell was very proud of Lucas’ endorsement of his work. I think he called Lucas his best student, though I understand they never met until after the first Star Wars trilogy was completed. Quote:
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Here’s a YouTube compilation of kids seeing Empire Strikes Back for the first time. |
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03-18-2018, 08:40 AM | #2 | ||||
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Leia doesn't seem to have (or did not have at least at this point) any obvious Force sensitivity. The only one Vader at that point can sense is a true Jedi Master, Obi-Wan Kenobi. I wonder if he even remotely suspected Luke beyond the very obvious fact that his last name was Skywalker. By the way, reall smart thinking on that part, second trilogy Obi-Wan. "Sure, I'll hide this kid. I'll bring him to his father's old home, to his nearest blood-relatives which Vader knows personally exist, and let him bear his father's name. Darth Vader or the emperor will never know!" As far as Vader knew his kid had died with Padmé and it's likely he never gave it much of a thought in the years after that. He probably never even suspected there had been two all along. (Which brings me to another of those annoying plotholes. Like they have all that advanced tech to play with but a little advanced pregancy and maternity care is not one of them? Seriously. Anakin angsting over Padmé's supposed death at childbirth feels all the more contrived when you consider the tech they should have at their disposal to prevent such things.) Quote:
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And in the second trilogy much is made of the fact that Anakin is not only so young to pod-race but that no other human can even survive in the pod races. Clearly implicating that the only reason Anakin can, is through the Force. |
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