*Appendix Trivia*

***Valandil*** · 10-22-2003, 11:29 PM

OK - since they're booted out of the ROTK Trivia Thread, we geekier folk need a place to put these gems... anything from LOTR appendices, forwards, etc. First up:

Hobbit calendars start every year on a Saturday and end every year on a Friday, with every date always falling on the same day of the week (and have 12 months with a nice, tidy 30 days each).

How do they do it? And since 52 weeks equal 364 days, what do they do with the 365th? And the 366th in "Leap years"???

This one: I'll let you look up!

Amea · 10-23-2003, 12:52 PM

Uh?

You don't seem to make sense. Could you explane it a little more

Ilúvatar · 10-24-2003, 04:19 AM

They had two days which were called Yule and two called Lithe. 1 Yule occurred before Afteryule 1 (first day of the year)and 2 Yule occurred after Foreyule 30 (last day of the year), 1 Lithe occurred after Forelithe 30 and 2 Lithe occurred before Afterlithe 1 (middle of the year). They also had a fifth named day called Midyears's Day which occurred between 1 Lithe and 2 Lithe. This made up a total of 365 days a year. For leap years they celebrated Overlithe, which occurred between Midyear's Day and 2 Lithe.

At the time of the War of the Ring - the Shire was 1,418 - 1,419 years old.

This is my first post.

***Valandil*** · 10-24-2003, 09:57 AM

Illuvatar (wow - Illuvatar is a SAPLING?

),

You're knocking at the door. I guess my question was confusing

- the MAIN thing I wanted to ask was - how did they keep each date the same day of the week, year after year?

BTW - you mixed up the Yule days. 1 Yule is actually the LAST day of the year, and 2 Yule is the FIRST... counter-intuitive if you think in terms of years, but sensible if you think in terms of a yule-tide season itself!

So... How DID they keep each date the same day of the week - year after year?

The Gaffer · 10-24-2003, 10:04 AM

Because the "extra" days didn't have a day of the week??

***Valandil*** · 10-24-2003, 12:54 PM

warmer... warmer.... hot, hot, HOT!

Which day/days?

Ilúvatar · 10-24-2003, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Valandil
warmer... warmer.... hot, hot, HOT!

Which day/days?

I said 1 Lithe, 2 Lithe and 1 Yule, 2 Yule. Midyear's Day and Overlithe. 2 Yule fell on the "first" saturday of the year and 1 Yule fell on the last Friday of the year. 1 Lithe fell on the last friday of Forelithe and 2 Lithe fell on the first Saturday.

Midyear's Day and Overlithe didn't fall on any corresponding day of the month.

If this isn't what you mean, then I'm at a loss.

I shouldn't have made the mistake on the 1 Yule and 2 Yule thing because the first month of the year is AFTERYule and the last month of the year is FOREyule.

***Valandil*** · 10-24-2003, 02:32 PM

OK, OK... I'll give it to you... but I was asking which one(s) did not have a WEEK day associated (Saturday, Sunday, Monday...) - those WERE Midyear's Day and (in Leap years) Overlithe. Technically, the Yule & Lithe days were not part of the 30-day months, yet each was on a weekday. Wonder if Hobbit ladies could propose to a man on the Overlithe - like we make allowance for "Leap Day"?

So... Iluvatar, it's yours... ask away.

PS... in PoME, JRRT points out that none of the Hobbit months start with a Friday - and says that there was an idiomatic expression about something happening "On Friday the First" speaking of an event like pigs flying or trees walking. He says the fuller expression was "On Friday the First of Summerfilth" - a non-existent month... the Hobbit October was "Winterfilth"

Ilúvatar · 10-30-2003, 04:42 PM

Sorry Valandil for taking so long to ask a question.

Here is my question. What is the age difference between Arwen and Aragorn when they get married?

It's probably a pretty easy one though.

Radagast The Brown · 10-31-2003, 07:17 AM

2690?

Ilúvatar · 10-31-2003, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
2690?

Correct, there was a 2,690 year age difference between Arwen and Aragorn.

Radagast The Brown · 10-31-2003, 05:24 PM

Who was the Numenorian king that tried to fix the actions of ten kings before him? (the actions were the revolt against the Valar and everything with it)

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-31-2003, 05:47 PM

Tar-Palantir (Ar-Inziladun)?

Radagast The Brown · 10-31-2003, 06:06 PM

Yup. Your turn.

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-31-2003, 06:09 PM

Well, I'm terrible at trivia, so this is probably too easy.

How did the Palantir of Osgaliath come to be lost?

***Valandil*** · 11-03-2003, 11:17 PM

It fell into the River Anduin when much of Osgiliath was burned and destroyed during the Kin-Strife. The Gondorians were pretty sophisticated... but I guess they didn't have SCUBA!

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-04-2003, 12:09 AM

Correct. (Makes you wonder why they didn't dredge for it. The thing must weigh a ton

)
And what if Deagol and/or Smeagol had sailed down the Anduin on holiday and found it. Hmmmm. Imagine poor Smeagol having to lug that around

***Valandil*** · 11-04-2003, 08:02 AM

OK... in a similar vein:

Who were the leaders of the two opposing factions in Gondor's Kin-Strife?

Radagast The Brown · 11-04-2003, 09:50 AM

Eldacar vs. descendants of the kings?

***Valandil*** · 11-05-2003, 05:59 AM

Looking for a little more... there was a certain person who led the other faction.

And, btw... know who Eldacar was?

10-22-2003, 11:29 PM	#1
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	*Appendix Trivia* OK - since they're booted out of the ROTK Trivia Thread, we geekier folk need a place to put these gems... anything from LOTR appendices, forwards, etc. First up: Hobbit calendars start every year on a Saturday and end every year on a Friday, with every date always falling on the same day of the week (and have 12 months with a nice, tidy 30 days each). How do they do it? And since 52 weeks equal 364 days, what do they do with the 365th? And the 366th in "Leap years"??? This one: I'll let you look up!

10-24-2003, 04:19 AM	#3
Ilúvatar Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 37	They had two days which were called Yule and two called Lithe. 1 Yule occurred before Afteryule 1 (first day of the year)and 2 Yule occurred after Foreyule 30 (last day of the year), 1 Lithe occurred after Forelithe 30 and 2 Lithe occurred before Afterlithe 1 (middle of the year). They also had a fifth named day called Midyears's Day which occurred between 1 Lithe and 2 Lithe. This made up a total of 365 days a year. For leap years they celebrated Overlithe, which occurred between Midyear's Day and 2 Lithe. At the time of the War of the Ring - the Shire was 1,418 - 1,419 years old. This is my first post. Last edited by Ilúvatar : 10-24-2003 at 04:21 AM.

10-24-2003, 09:57 AM	#4
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Illuvatar (wow - Illuvatar is a SAPLING? ), You're knocking at the door. I guess my question was confusing - the MAIN thing I wanted to ask was - how did they keep each date the same day of the week, year after year? BTW - you mixed up the Yule days. 1 Yule is actually the LAST day of the year, and 2 Yule is the FIRST... counter-intuitive if you think in terms of years, but sensible if you think in terms of a yule-tide season itself! So... How DID they keep each date the same day of the week - year after year? Last edited by Valandil : 10-24-2003 at 01:03 PM.

10-24-2003, 02:32 PM	#8
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	OK, OK... I'll give it to you... but I was asking which one(s) did not have a WEEK day associated (Saturday, Sunday, Monday...) - those WERE Midyear's Day and (in Leap years) Overlithe. Technically, the Yule & Lithe days were not part of the 30-day months, yet each was on a weekday. Wonder if Hobbit ladies could propose to a man on the Overlithe - like we make allowance for "Leap Day"? So... Iluvatar, it's yours... ask away. PS... in PoME, JRRT points out that none of the Hobbit months start with a Friday - and says that there was an idiomatic expression about something happening "On Friday the First" speaking of an event like pigs flying or trees walking. He says the fuller expression was "On Friday the First of Summerfilth" - a non-existent month... the Hobbit October was "Winterfilth" Last edited by Valandil : 10-31-2003 at 05:17 PM.

10-31-2003, 07:17 AM	#10
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	2690? __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

10-23-2003, 12:52 PM	#2
Amea Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sleeping in a tree Posts: 173	Uh? You don't seem to make sense. Could you explane it a little more

10-24-2003, 10:04 AM	#5
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Because the "extra" days didn't have a day of the week??

10-24-2003, 12:54 PM	#6
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	warmer... warmer.... hot, hot, HOT! Which day/days?

10-30-2003, 04:42 PM	#9
Ilúvatar Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 37	Sorry Valandil for taking so long to ask a question. Here is my question. What is the age difference between Arwen and Aragorn when they get married? It's probably a pretty easy one though.

10-31-2003, 05:24 PM	#12
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Who was the Numenorian king that tried to fix the actions of ten kings before him? (the actions were the revolt against the Valar and everything with it) __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

10-31-2003, 05:47 PM	#13
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Tar-Palantir (Ar-Inziladun)? __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

10-31-2003, 06:06 PM	#14
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Yup. Your turn. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

10-31-2003, 06:09 PM	#15
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Well, I'm terrible at trivia, so this is probably too easy. How did the Palantir of Osgaliath come to be lost? __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

11-03-2003, 11:17 PM	#16
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	It fell into the River Anduin when much of Osgiliath was burned and destroyed during the Kin-Strife. The Gondorians were pretty sophisticated... but I guess they didn't have SCUBA!

11-04-2003, 12:09 AM	#17
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Correct. (Makes you wonder why they didn't dredge for it. The thing must weigh a ton) And what if Deagol and/or Smeagol had sailed down the Anduin on holiday and found it. Hmmmm. Imagine poor Smeagol having to lug that around __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin : 11-04-2003 at 12:37 AM.

11-04-2003, 08:02 AM	#18
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	OK... in a similar vein: Who were the leaders of the two opposing factions in Gondor's Kin-Strife?

11-04-2003, 09:50 AM	#19
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Eldacar vs. descendants of the kings? __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

11-05-2003, 05:59 AM	#20
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Looking for a little more... there was a certain person who led the other faction. And, btw... know who Eldacar was?