movies vs expanded uni`

afro-elf · 05-18-2002, 09:01 PM

for myself i consider the movies cannon and the book not

***Khamûl*** · 05-18-2002, 10:52 PM

I've never read any of the books, but I completely agree with you afro-elf.

***IronParrot*** · 05-18-2002, 11:03 PM

Thank your lucky stars you don't consider any of that lousy merchandise "literature" that reads like it was factory-produced to maintain control over the proles, as Orwell would say, has any relevance to the magnum opus of cinematic artistry that is Star Wars. Or I'd be very upset.

Besides, Attack of the Clones has just proved YET AGAIN that the Expanded Universe has no bearing on the saga whatsoever.

Arathorn · 05-18-2002, 11:29 PM

If a screenplay is original (not adapted off of a book, I find it quite uninteresting as well to read the books. I agree A-E.

Un-adapted screenplay also leaves you with more wonder when you view the film for the first time. It's not trying to satisfy any book fans. And if it kicks arse, it does it on it's own.

BeardofPants · 05-18-2002, 11:40 PM

I would concur with that. Obviously.

However, Timothy Zahn did a pretty good job with his version.

afro-elf · 05-18-2002, 11:51 PM

I read the first book heir to the empire

started dark force rising but got bored and left that stuff alone

BUT grand admiral thrawn was da man

***Ben*** · 05-19-2002, 04:09 PM

I personally like(d) the EU. I started with Timothy Zahn's magnificent trilogy, and that got me hooked. I read the entire first series. Admittedly, some of the books were just plain bad (any of the ones with that Callista), and I was in fifth grade when I read most of them, but still, the majority were fun reads in the spirit of Star Wars. I was bored to tears by "Vector Prime," though, so I never read that series.

It's unfortunate that the EU writers were allowed to speculate on issues on which they had no knowledge in the first place. We know now that Boba Fett isn't Jaster Mereel, he's a clone of Jango Fett, so there goes the Bounty Hunter Trilogy (which was one of my favorites) and anything that referred to it. Stormtroopers are also Jango's clones, so we can trash the stories that had the troopers as regular people.

What would really be interesting is if GL goes against the things that were in the actual novelizations. Are those canon?

Sween · 05-20-2002, 11:58 AM

I think that stormtroopers are not clones i think there will be a few clones left by the time of ANH but not 2 many i was allways under the presumtions they were conscripted. the comand staff of the starships certinally are not clones.

This will also explain why the stormtroopers are so god awful fighters.

***gdl96*** · 05-20-2002, 04:08 PM

There was somethign on theforce.net recently saying that there is a difference between a clonetrooper and a stormtrooper that will be explained in episode iii.

afro-elf · 05-20-2002, 09:13 PM

i'm wondering will the POSSIBILITY of other jedi surviving be shown in epIII

BeardofPants · 05-20-2002, 10:47 PM

Maybe some go over to the dark side, and work as Emperor's Hands?

Arathorn · 05-20-2002, 11:06 PM

Weren't they the guys in red when Vader meet the Emperor when his ship landed?

BeardofPants · 05-20-2002, 11:09 PM

That's what I thought. The imperial guard.

Arathorn · 05-20-2002, 11:13 PM

Wow. Turn to the Dark Side and if you don't dare defeat Vader, you turn into furniture...

05-18-2002, 09:01 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	movies vs expanded uni` for myself i consider the movies cannon and the book not __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-18-2002, 10:52 PM	#2
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	I've never read any of the books, but I completely agree with you afro-elf. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

05-18-2002, 11:03 PM	#3
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Thank your lucky stars you don't consider any of that lousy merchandise "literature" that reads like it was factory-produced to maintain control over the proles, as Orwell would say, has any relevance to the magnum opus of cinematic artistry that is Star Wars. Or I'd be very upset. Besides, Attack of the Clones has just proved YET AGAIN that the Expanded Universe has no bearing on the saga whatsoever. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

05-18-2002, 11:29 PM	#4
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	If a screenplay is original (not adapted off of a book, I find it quite uninteresting as well to read the books. I agree A-E. Un-adapted screenplay also leaves you with more wonder when you view the film for the first time. It's not trying to satisfy any book fans. And if it kicks arse, it does it on it's own. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

05-18-2002, 11:40 PM	#5
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I would concur with that. Obviously. However, Timothy Zahn did a pretty good job with his version. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-18-2002, 11:51 PM	#6
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	I read the first book heir to the empire started dark force rising but got bored and left that stuff alone BUT grand admiral thrawn was da man __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-19-2002, 04:09 PM	#7
*Ben* Retired Ent Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 60,631	I personally like(d) the EU. I started with Timothy Zahn's magnificent trilogy, and that got me hooked. I read the entire first series. Admittedly, some of the books were just plain bad (any of the ones with that Callista), and I was in fifth grade when I read most of them, but still, the majority were fun reads in the spirit of Star Wars. I was bored to tears by "Vector Prime," though, so I never read that series. It's unfortunate that the EU writers were allowed to speculate on issues on which they had no knowledge in the first place. We know now that Boba Fett isn't Jaster Mereel, he's a clone of Jango Fett, so there goes the Bounty Hunter Trilogy (which was one of my favorites) and anything that referred to it. Stormtroopers are also Jango's clones, so we can trash the stories that had the troopers as regular people. What would really be interesting is if GL goes against the things that were in the actual novelizations. Are those canon? __________________ ---Ben formerly known in the forums as bmilder Owner of The Tolkien Trail and Entmoot. Buy Entmoot shirts and mugs!

05-20-2002, 11:58 AM	#8
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	I think that stormtroopers are not clones i think there will be a few clones left by the time of ANH but not 2 many i was allways under the presumtions they were conscripted. the comand staff of the starships certinally are not clones. This will also explain why the stormtroopers are so god awful fighters. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

05-20-2002, 04:08 PM	#9
*gdl96* the greg the admin Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: NJ Posts: 2,101	There was somethign on theforce.net recently saying that there is a difference between a clonetrooper and a stormtrooper that will be explained in episode iii.

05-20-2002, 09:13 PM	#10
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	i'm wondering will the POSSIBILITY of other jedi surviving be shown in epIII __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-20-2002, 10:47 PM	#11
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Maybe some go over to the dark side, and work as Emperor's Hands? __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-20-2002, 11:06 PM	#12
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Weren't they the guys in red when Vader meet the Emperor when his ship landed? __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

05-20-2002, 11:09 PM	#13
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	That's what I thought. The imperial guard. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-20-2002, 11:13 PM	#14
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Wow. Turn to the Dark Side and if you don't dare defeat Vader, you turn into furniture... __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

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