maedhros and hurin

afro-elf · 03-06-2002, 08:22 PM

How long did Maedhros hang from the mountain.

Was he feed to stay alive or was he going to be starved to death.

i'm assuming hurin was feed

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-06-2002, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
How long did Maedhros hang from the mountain.

Was he feed to stay alive or was he going to be starved to death.

i'm assuming hurin was feed

Well, Hurin was held captive for twenty some years. It was never Morgoth's intention for Hurin to die, so naturally he was fed. As for Maedhros, I think Morgoth had every intention of leting him die. So no, Maedhros would not have been fed. The book does not say for how long he hung from Thangorodrim, but I would say perhaps several days possibly before Fingon came along. He wasn't there long enough to starve, but had Fingon not found him when he dd, he would surely have died soon.

markedel · 03-07-2002, 07:29 PM

Elves are far more resiliant then men.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-07-2002, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by markedel
Elves are far more resiliant then men.

Absolutely, but not indistructable. I don't think the average humn could have withstood what Maedhros did even for a couple of days without dying. He would have died if not for Fingon.

afro-elf · 03-07-2002, 08:21 PM

When Turin met Voronwe the latter made a statement to the affect that "the Hunger must be long and the Cold deep" for it to affect the Elves.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-07-2002, 08:30 PM

Sure it effected them. They could just endure more of it than Humans. Look at the crossing of the Helcaraxe. Probably no Human could have survived that.

Ñólendil · 03-08-2002, 01:55 AM

Afro-elf, the second part of that line was something like "to affect the son of those who have endured the Grinding Ice". Funny, considering SGH's reply. He was referring specifically to the Exiled Noldor, though he was more boasting than anything else. Fact is Voronwe and Tuor were both put through a lot of physical harm during the cold journey to Gondolin.

Findegil · 03-10-2002, 12:16 PM

I would like to bring up some facts:
Maedhros was captured in the valian year 1497 and in 1498 he was hung on the rock by Morgoth. 2 valian yaers later Fingolfin arrived in Middle-Earth (remeber that 1 valian year is about 10 years of the sun) and another 5 years of the sun later Fingon rescued Maedhros.
I don't think any elve can outlive that with out feading. But who feaded him I can't imagin.

Findegil

Ararax · 03-10-2002, 09:14 PM

morgoth was probably tourturing him

afro-elf · 03-10-2002, 09:38 PM

If that was the case in comparing years how long did it take fingolfin to cross the grinding ice?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-10-2002, 11:24 PM

That's an interesting question. If there were an icey wasteland between the U.S. and Europe, how long would it take to walk acrossed that? That is the distance I always thought of when they crossed the Grinding Ice.

afro-elf · 03-11-2002, 12:03 AM

i think that it was metioned that they saw the flames when feanor set their ships ablaze.

I know elves have far superior vision but DAMN.

if it took them YEARS to across they must have Hubble vision

I guess they must have used magic to keep food stuffs fresh

(Hell for that matter how did WE do it crossing the bering strait?)

How many years where the feanorians in ME before Fingolfin arrvived

it seems like it would have been at LEAST 20 years uisng the above info.

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That is the distance I always thought of when they crossed the Grinding Ice.

two thoughts america IS valinor and i assumed that the distance was even greater even though visually I thought as you do.

Findegil · 03-11-2002, 08:17 AM

I will have a look for the times you asked for, when I am back at home. But for the vision of Fingolfin seeing the burning of the ships, you had to consider that the earth was flat in that time. If you are at see shore and the see isn't moved too much, than your sight is ended by the bending of the earth. So if the earth / see is flat, you could see a light in a very great distance.

Regrads
Findegil

afro-elf · 03-11-2002, 09:26 AM

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you had to consider that the earth was flat in that time. I

I had forgotten about that ,thanks

Nibs · 03-11-2002, 12:50 PM

Bah. Details. I don't bother with 'em.

[Not to say it's stupid for you to

]

Captain Stern · 03-11-2002, 06:15 PM

Where does it say that Elves HAVE to eat or drink? I don't think there's any evidence to prove that Elves must eat and drink other than for enjoyment.

Maedhros hung on a slope of Thangorodrim for 25 years! Tough son of a...

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-11-2002, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Captain Stern
Where does it say that Elves HAVE to eat or drink? I don't think there's any evidence to prove that Elves must eat and drink other than for enjoyment.

Maedhros hung on a slope of Thangorodrim for 25 years! Tough son of a...

Well, in the Athrabeth, Finrod makes a statement to Andreth about how Morgoth had tainted the world before the Elve awoke and came forth and drew their sustanance (sp). That to me would imply that they did eat and had to eat to survive.

afro-elf · 03-12-2002, 01:09 AM

[QUOTE

Maedhros hung on a slope of Thangorodrim for 25 years! Tough son of a... [/B][/QUOTE]

Which book has the length of time he hung for?

Captain Stern · 03-12-2002, 09:20 AM

I just figured it out from Findegil's post:

'I would like to bring up some facts:
Maedhros was captured in the valian year 1497 and in 1498 he was hung on the rock by Morgoth. 2 valian yaers later Fingolfin arrived in Middle-Earth (remeber that 1 valian year is about 10 years of the sun) and another 5 years of the sun later Fingon rescued Maedhros.
I don't think any elve can outlive that with out feading. But who feaded him I can't imagin. '

Ararax · 03-12-2002, 10:57 AM

morgoth was more cunning then to just kill him, he probably wanted to break him

03-06-2002, 08:22 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	maedhros and hurin How long did Maedhros hang from the mountain. Was he feed to stay alive or was he going to be starved to death. i'm assuming hurin was feed __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-07-2002, 07:29 PM	#3
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Elves are far more resiliant then men. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-07-2002, 08:21 PM	#5
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	When Turin met Voronwe the latter made a statement to the affect that "the Hunger must be long and the Cold deep" for it to affect the Elves. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-08-2002, 01:55 AM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Afro-elf, the second part of that line was something like "to affect the son of those who have endured the Grinding Ice". Funny, considering SGH's reply. He was referring specifically to the Exiled Noldor, though he was more boasting than anything else. Fact is Voronwe and Tuor were both put through a lot of physical harm during the cold journey to Gondolin. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

03-10-2002, 09:14 PM	#9
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	morgoth was probably tourturing him __________________ Woah Deep

03-07-2002, 08:30 PM	#6
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Sure it effected them. They could just endure more of it than Humans. Look at the crossing of the Helcaraxe. Probably no Human could have survived that.

03-10-2002, 12:16 PM	#8
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	I would like to bring up some facts: Maedhros was captured in the valian year 1497 and in 1498 he was hung on the rock by Morgoth. 2 valian yaers later Fingolfin arrived in Middle-Earth (remeber that 1 valian year is about 10 years of the sun) and another 5 years of the sun later Fingon rescued Maedhros. I don't think any elve can outlive that with out feading. But who feaded him I can't imagin. Findegil

03-10-2002, 09:38 PM	#10
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	If that was the case in comparing years how long did it take fingolfin to cross the grinding ice? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-10-2002, 11:24 PM	#11
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	That's an interesting question. If there were an icey wasteland between the U.S. and Europe, how long would it take to walk acrossed that? That is the distance I always thought of when they crossed the Grinding Ice.

03-11-2002, 08:17 AM	#13
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	I will have a look for the times you asked for, when I am back at home. But for the vision of Fingolfin seeing the burning of the ships, you had to consider that the earth was flat in that time. If you are at see shore and the see isn't moved too much, than your sight is ended by the bending of the earth. So if the earth / see is flat, you could see a light in a very great distance. Regrads Findegil

03-11-2002, 12:50 PM	#15
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Bah. Details. I don't bother with 'em. [Not to say it's stupid for you to ] __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

03-11-2002, 06:15 PM	#16
Captain Stern Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 319	RE: maedhros and hurin Where does it say that Elves HAVE to eat or drink? I don't think there's any evidence to prove that Elves must eat and drink other than for enjoyment. Maedhros hung on a slope of Thangorodrim for 25 years! Tough son of a... __________________ Then hate overcame Fëanor's fear, and he cursed Melkor and bade him be gone, saying 'Get thee gone from my gate, thou jail-crow of Mandos!' And he shut the doors of his house in the face of the mightiest of all dwellers in Eä.

03-12-2002, 01:09 AM	#18
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Re: RE: maedhros and hurin [QUOTE Maedhros hung on a slope of Thangorodrim for 25 years! Tough son of a... [/B][/QUOTE] Which book has the length of time he hung for? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-12-2002, 09:20 AM	#19
Captain Stern Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 319	RE: maedhros and hurin I just figured it out from Findegil's post: 'I would like to bring up some facts: Maedhros was captured in the valian year 1497 and in 1498 he was hung on the rock by Morgoth. 2 valian yaers later Fingolfin arrived in Middle-Earth (remeber that 1 valian year is about 10 years of the sun) and another 5 years of the sun later Fingon rescued Maedhros. I don't think any elve can outlive that with out feading. But who feaded him I can't imagin. ' __________________ Then hate overcame Fëanor's fear, and he cursed Melkor and bade him be gone, saying 'Get thee gone from my gate, thou jail-crow of Mandos!' And he shut the doors of his house in the face of the mightiest of all dwellers in Eä.

03-12-2002, 10:57 AM	#20
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	morgoth was more cunning then to just kill him, he probably wanted to break him __________________ Woah Deep

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