Prince Caspian - 2007 - Page 3

hectorberlioz · 04-26-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sun-star

Nah, surely it's Caspian and Lucy...

Really!...I hope you guys are purposefully reading into the story there, because I never even suspected anything like it...

sun-star · 04-27-2006, 03:36 AM

I can't speak for GM, but I've never seen a hint nor a clue nor even an inkling of any romance, if that makes you feel better

Just a joke.

GreyMouser · 04-27-2006, 10:15 AM

C'mon, you can't sell a movie without romance. Just ask Peter Jackson....

inked · 04-27-2006, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun-star

I can't speak for GM, but I've never seen a hint nor a clue nor even an inkling of any romance, if that makes you feel better

Just a joke.

Now that's not true, sun-star. Remember the events on Ramandu's island: his daughter and Caspian. There was a dawn of romance, if you like! And a dawn is more than an inkling!

sun-star · 04-27-2006, 11:44 AM

Romance in the sense of the medieval genre, yes; not romance in the sense of two people convincingly falling in love with each other

EDIT: and anyway, that's in VDT...

inked · 04-27-2006, 04:19 PM

Ah, sun-star, you are now in the dawning of the age of.....................
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comprehension of punning!

hectorberlioz · 05-01-2006, 12:34 PM

speaking of stuff on this subject, it use to make absolutely no sense to me that Peter and Edmund's queens were their own sisters. Surely CSL wasn't a supporter of...well, you get my confusion.

Have there ever been any brother sister rulers before? Perhaps CSL modeled the idea on an historic pair?

sun-star · 05-09-2006, 04:05 PM

I can't think of any, partly because it's unusual to have more than one monarch at a time anyway. Normally, Peter would be the king and the others would be princes and princesses unless he died without issue. There are comments on the strangeness of this in the books - IIRC, the Calormenes think it's odd in HHB, and in Prince Caspian it's one reason why the Telmarines consider the Golden Age of Narnia to be a myth. I wonder what would have happened in the line of succession if any of the Pevensies had married and had children of their own - it's a dynastic nightmare waiting to happen!

Anyway, what makes you think Lucy and Susan were their brothers' queens, rather than the boys being their sisters' kings?

Acalewia · 05-10-2006, 01:38 PM

Good question

inked · 05-10-2006, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun-star

I can't think of any, partly because it's unusual to have more than one monarch at a time anyway. Normally, Peter would be the king and the others would be princes and princesses unless he died without issue. There are comments on the strangeness of this in the books - IIRC, the Calormenes think it's odd in HHB, and in Prince Caspian it's one reason why the Telmarines consider the Golden Age of Narnia to be a myth. I wonder what would have happened in the line of succession if any of the Pevensies had married and had children of their own - it's a dynastic nightmare waiting to happen!

Anyway, what makes you think Lucy and Susan were their brothers' queens, rather than the boys being their sisters' kings?

Mr. Lewis' thorough-going grounding in medieval studies, perhaps.

Curubethion · 05-10-2006, 10:53 PM

I don't think that they were considered being each others' kings or queens. Instead, they were four seperate monarchs ruling over Narnia. I like the way that the movie presented it: each one of them ruled over part of Narnia. A very good solution.

inked · 05-11-2006, 10:41 AM

Ah, but Peter is the High King of all Narnia under Aslan. The others defer to him when necessary in ruling the kingdom. This is seen in the working out of the other novels in the series.

hectorberlioz · 05-11-2006, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun-star

I can't think of any, partly because it's unusual to have more than one monarch at a time anyway. Normally, Peter would be the king and the others would be princes and princesses unless he died without issue. There are comments on the strangeness of this in the books - IIRC, the Calormenes think it's odd in HHB, and in Prince Caspian it's one reason why the Telmarines consider the Golden Age of Narnia to be a myth. I wonder what would have happened in the line of succession if any of the Pevensies had married and had children of their own - it's a dynastic nightmare waiting to happen!

Anyway, what makes you think Lucy and Susan were their brothers' queens, rather than the boys being their sisters' kings?

Good question...many English Queens kicked butt

sun-star · 05-11-2006, 01:35 PM

Exactly

Acalewia · 05-12-2006, 01:29 PM

Wasn't there a set brother-sister rulers in Egypt? He may have been basing it on them?

hectorberlioz · 05-15-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acalewia

Wasn't there a set brother-sister rulers in Egypt? He may have been basing it on them?

What came first to my mind was the Commodus and Sister portrayal in "Gladiator"...

Acalewia · 05-15-2006, 04:22 PM

Well I don't think Gladiator was around when CSL wrote Narnia, but I get your point. You are suggesting brother/sister rulers in Rome, right?

hectorberlioz · 05-15-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acalewia

Well I don't think Gladiator was around when CSL wrote Narnia, but I get your point. You are suggesting brother/sister rulers in Rome, right?

That was my initial thought...

sun-star · 02-07-2007, 06:53 PM

Casting news - including Caspian himself!

http://www.narniaweb.com/news.asp?dl=5472490

Butterbeer · 02-08-2007, 08:12 AM

BB approves of BB.

04-27-2006, 11:44 AM	#45
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05-09-2006, 04:05 PM	#48
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I can't think of any, partly because it's unusual to have more than one monarch at a time anyway. Normally, Peter would be the king and the others would be princes and princesses unless he died without issue. There are comments on the strangeness of this in the books - IIRC, the Calormenes think it's odd in HHB, and in Prince Caspian it's one reason why the Telmarines consider the Golden Age of Narnia to be a myth. I wonder what would have happened in the line of succession if any of the Pevensies had married and had children of their own - it's a dynastic nightmare waiting to happen! Anyway, what makes you think Lucy and Susan were their brothers' queens, rather than the boys being their sisters' kings? Last edited by sun-star : 05-09-2006 at 04:06 PM.

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Acalewia Halfelven Daughter of the Dunedain, President of Entmoot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In trouble. As usual. Posts: 4,674	Good question __________________ "Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life!"~ inked Don't meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. "Don't be such a sour wolf" Stiles ~ Heart Monitor http://www.wattpad.com/user/IceQueenofMitera

04-27-2006, 03:36 AM	#42
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I can't speak for GM, but I've never seen a hint nor a clue nor even an inkling of any romance, if that makes you feel better Just a joke.

04-27-2006, 10:15 AM	#43
GreyMouser Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 301	C'mon, you can't sell a movie without romance. Just ask Peter Jackson....

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Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	I don't think that they were considered being each others' kings or queens. Instead, they were four seperate monarchs ruling over Narnia. I like the way that the movie presented it: each one of them ruled over part of Narnia. A very good solution. __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

05-11-2006, 10:41 AM	#52
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Ah, but Peter is the High King of all Narnia under Aslan. The others defer to him when necessary in ruling the kingdom. This is seen in the working out of the other novels in the series. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

05-11-2006, 01:35 PM	#54
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	Exactly __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

05-12-2006, 01:29 PM	#55
Acalewia Halfelven Daughter of the Dunedain, President of Entmoot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In trouble. As usual. Posts: 4,674	Wasn't there a set brother-sister rulers in Egypt? He may have been basing it on them? __________________ "Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life!"~ inked Don't meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. "Don't be such a sour wolf" Stiles ~ Heart Monitor http://www.wattpad.com/user/IceQueenofMitera

05-15-2006, 04:22 PM	#57
Acalewia Halfelven Daughter of the Dunedain, President of Entmoot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In trouble. As usual. Posts: 4,674	Well I don't think Gladiator was around when CSL wrote Narnia, but I get your point. You are suggesting brother/sister rulers in Rome, right? __________________ "Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life!"~ inked Don't meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. "Don't be such a sour wolf" Stiles ~ Heart Monitor http://www.wattpad.com/user/IceQueenofMitera

02-07-2007, 06:53 PM	#59
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	Casting news - including Caspian himself! http://www.narniaweb.com/news.asp?dl=5472490 __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

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