Narnia discrepancy?

**crickhollow** · 05-07-2002, 05:30 PM

the beloved, yet falling apart paperback copy of the L,W and W that I grew up with says that the chief of jadis' secret police is named Fenris Ulf.

My mom finally bought a new set of the books, and his name has been changed to Maugrim.

Who has been tampering with Lewis, and which version is correct?

I have to admit that I can't think of him as anything but Fenris Ulf, but does anyone know which name appeared in the origional version?

maybe it was only done to the american versions like HP and the philosopher's/sorcerer's stone? But why would they mess with a name I mean, that's different than HP.

***azalea*** · 05-07-2002, 07:43 PM

It calls him Fenris in my version, but I seem to remember the name Maugrim from somewhere. I have a book called Companion to Narnia that would help, but of course I can't find it right now. I'll hunt for it and let you know what I find if no one else has the answer.

TinuvielChild · 05-07-2002, 10:09 PM

i recall it as Maugrim, but i know i've heard the other name somewhere. *shrug* i'm sure we'll figure it out.

note-shouldn't this thread be in Sci-fi/Fantasy?

Reumandar · 07-12-2002, 02:39 PM

Which book are yall talking bout there are 7 of 'em

***IronParrot*** · 07-12-2002, 06:39 PM

The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. And yes, I'm moving this to Sci-fi/Fantasy.

The Ringbearer · 07-13-2002, 04:03 AM

I think I've got Maugrim.

Reumandar · 07-16-2002, 11:06 AM

well in mine in the IX chapter on page 93 in the second (or third wichever) peragraph on the third line it says:

Quote:

and presently the grey Wolf, Fenris Ulf...

so in mine it say's: Fenris Ulf
and my book is the:

Quote:

FIRST COLLIER BOOKS EDITION 1970

EIGHTEENTH PRINTING 1976

if that makes any difference

webwizard333 · 07-16-2002, 01:29 PM

I have two different versions of the book, but in both the name Fenris Ulf is used. Maybe Maugrim was the name of another wolf and there was some confusion when they made later editions?

Reumandar · 07-17-2002, 01:58 PM

Maugrim... is that the name of some sort of wolf in The Lord Of The Rings?

Wayfarer · 07-17-2002, 06:03 PM

In tolkien, the Dwarves are called Naugrim.

My copies as a young lad called him Fenris.

cee2lee2 · 07-18-2002, 01:18 AM

It's Fenris Ulf in my book too. Never heard of Maugrim.

(edited for a typo)

Menelvagor · 07-23-2002, 10:00 PM

Hm, mine says Maugrim. Go figure.

***azalea*** · 07-23-2002, 10:24 PM

Okay everybody, I have finally found my book "Companion to Narnia", so I'll be able to answer any Narnia related question you have (well, almost any). Maugrim was the name of the wolf in the British edition, it is changed to Fenris Ulf in the American edition. A quote:

"No evidence has yet come to light to indicate whether or when Lewis made this change for his American readers."

So if you have a British ed,. his name will be Maugrim; American, it'll be Fenris Ulf. I guess it would depend on the publisher of your version.

They say the name Fenris Ulf was "taken from the great wolf of Scandinavian mythology" and Maugrim probably means either "savage jaws" or "ill will".

cee2lee2 · 07-23-2002, 10:58 PM

That's interesting! I wonder why the editors or Lewis thought it should be changed for the U.S. edition. Thanks for looking this up.

TinuvielChild · 09-25-2002, 11:18 PM

Yeah! I've got a Brit. edition! Go me!

TinuvielChild · 09-25-2002, 11:20 PM

Hey, did you guys know that Lewis was good friends with Tolkien? Apparently (don't quote me on this, a friend told it to me but I'm not sure about the reliability, it's interesting though) Lewis was writing L,W,W first and showed it to Tolkien, who told Lewis that it was the worst piece of trash he had ever seen and that Lewis should put it away and never work on it again. According to my friend, Lewis had writer's block for 7 years thereafter.

Look where it is now, though!

The Ringbearer · 09-26-2002, 06:47 AM

"...wost piece of trash..." Ouch!

On the first page or so of The Screwtape Letters it says that the book is dedicated to Tolkien.

05-07-2002, 05:30 PM	#1
crickhollow The Buckleberry Fairy/Captain Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington State again (I miss Texas). Posts: 1,345	Narnia discrepancy? the beloved, yet falling apart paperback copy of the L,W and W that I grew up with says that the chief of jadis' secret police is named Fenris Ulf. My mom finally bought a new set of the books, and his name has been changed to Maugrim. Who has been tampering with Lewis, and which version is correct? I have to admit that I can't think of him as anything but Fenris Ulf, but does anyone know which name appeared in the origional version? maybe it was only done to the american versions like HP and the philosopher's/sorcerer's stone? But why would they mess with a name I mean, that's different than HP. __________________ A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun.

05-07-2002, 10:09 PM	#3
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	i recall it as Maugrim, but i know i've heard the other name somewhere. shrug i'm sure we'll figure it out. note-shouldn't this thread be in Sci-fi/Fantasy? __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

07-12-2002, 02:39 PM	#4
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	which book? Which book are yall talking bout there are 7 of 'em __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun

07-12-2002, 06:39 PM	#5
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07-13-2002, 04:03 AM	#6
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	I think I've got Maugrim. __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!

05-07-2002, 07:43 PM	#2
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	It calls him Fenris in my version, but I seem to remember the name Maugrim from somewhere. I have a book called Companion to Narnia that would help, but of course I can't find it right now. I'll hunt for it and let you know what I find if no one else has the answer.

07-16-2002, 01:29 PM	#8
webwizard333 Elf Lord Join Date: May 2001 Location: myob Posts: 587	I have two different versions of the book, but in both the name Fenris Ulf is used. Maybe Maugrim was the name of another wolf and there was some confusion when they made later editions? __________________ Boo!

07-17-2002, 01:58 PM	#9
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	Maugrim... is that the name of some sort of wolf in The Lord Of The Rings? __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun Last edited by Reumandar : 07-17-2002 at 02:03 PM.

07-17-2002, 06:03 PM	#10
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	In tolkien, the Dwarves are called Naugrim. My copies as a young lad called him Fenris. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

07-18-2002, 01:18 AM	#11
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	It's Fenris Ulf in my book too. Never heard of Maugrim. (edited for a typo) Last edited by cee2lee2 : 07-18-2002 at 01:20 AM.

07-23-2002, 10:00 PM	#12
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	Hm, mine says Maugrim. Go figure.

07-23-2002, 10:24 PM	#13
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Okay everybody, I have finally found my book "Companion to Narnia", so I'll be able to answer any Narnia related question you have (well, almost any). Maugrim was the name of the wolf in the British edition, it is changed to Fenris Ulf in the American edition. A quote: "No evidence has yet come to light to indicate whether or when Lewis made this change for his American readers." So if you have a British ed,. his name will be Maugrim; American, it'll be Fenris Ulf. I guess it would depend on the publisher of your version. They say the name Fenris Ulf was "taken from the great wolf of Scandinavian mythology" and Maugrim probably means either "savage jaws" or "ill will". Last edited by azalea : 07-23-2002 at 10:29 PM.

07-23-2002, 10:58 PM	#14
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	That's interesting! I wonder why the editors or Lewis thought it should be changed for the U.S. edition. Thanks for looking this up.

09-25-2002, 11:18 PM	#15
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	Yeah! I've got a Brit. edition! Go me! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

09-25-2002, 11:20 PM	#16
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	Hey, did you guys know that Lewis was good friends with Tolkien? Apparently (don't quote me on this, a friend told it to me but I'm not sure about the reliability, it's interesting though) Lewis was writing L,W,W first and showed it to Tolkien, who told Lewis that it was the worst piece of trash he had ever seen and that Lewis should put it away and never work on it again. According to my friend, Lewis had writer's block for 7 years thereafter. Look where it is now, though! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

09-26-2002, 06:47 AM	#17
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	"...wost piece of trash..." Ouch! On the first page or so of The Screwtape Letters it says that the book is dedicated to Tolkien. __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!

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