Ents

Varda-Me · 09-22-2002, 12:40 AM

Maybe it's just me, but I was always somewhat disappointed in the Ent storyline. Don't get me wrong - I love Ents (who wouldn't want an Ent in their life, although it would be hard to find a place for it), but it always seemed to me that the storyline came to a dead end. One never knows what happens to them. Indeed, one never knows what happened to the Entwives. The whole thing just sort of seemed to go nowhere. Am I wrong? Did I miss something?

Lizra · 09-22-2002, 01:26 AM

When I think of the Ents, I imagine creatures on a totally different "time schedule". Everything they did took so long, they had been around forever. The passing of ages was a day in the life for Ents, so their story just can't be told like everyone else's. The Ents probably stood around talking about the Isengard thing for twenty centurys! Their story moves too slowly to tell! This is based on nothing but my imagination.

**Nurvingiel** · 09-24-2002, 09:14 PM

Ents do normally take a long time to do things. They don't like to be hasty, unless they are aroused. In terms of Isenguard, they were more angry than they had been in ages, so they came to their decision in a record 1 day (maybe 2.)

BeardofPants · 09-25-2002, 12:02 AM

No, I think it's just another doomed and tragic storyline. Tolkien seemed to like them somewhat.

I personally think it makes it more interesting that he didn't resolve it. Although in Letters he suggested that maybe the entwives were wiped out in Sauron's scorched earth policy.

***IronParrot*** · 09-25-2002, 05:00 PM

I agree with the notion that the Ent storyline is far and away beyond the scope of LOTR. Besides, I prefer that the story is left largely implicit, highlighting one last moment of glory of a race in decline... and, as you'd expect from Tolkien, the triumph of the natural over the grotesque machinations of artificiality.

I'm of the school of thought that in any form of storytelling, what's left ambiguous is often just as effective as exposition. What's not said says just as much as what is.

Hanza · 09-25-2002, 05:09 PM

I feel really stupid here but

What exactly is an Ent?

***IronParrot*** · 09-25-2002, 06:08 PM

Um...

I think it's best you read the novel first... then you'll see. I don't think a description would do them justice.

BeardofPants · 09-25-2002, 06:31 PM

"Novel" ?! IP, you should know better!

**Nurvingiel** · 09-26-2002, 02:51 PM

...yes it would be good to read the Trilogy..book...novel...thing. An Ent is an ancient tree-like creature. Ents are the males and Entwives are the females.

Sauron killed virtually all the Famales who lived on what is now the Brown Lands. The Ents stayed in the forest Fangorn.

It is rumoured that an Entwife was seen in the Shire. But no-one's sure.

This was a severly inadequate description of the amazing Ents.

***Earniel*** · 09-26-2002, 03:00 PM

I think I remember reading in 'Letters' that it was also possible that there still were a few entwives either as slaves in Mordor or hiding in the far east.

Cirdan · 09-26-2002, 05:15 PM

In the "Conspiracy" chapter there is a story about "creatures as big as an elm" seen in the northern lands. Could be a stray Ent or Entwife.

BeardofPants · 09-26-2002, 05:17 PM

... or a troll.

I doubt it would be an Entwife since there were no gardens in the old forest.

Cirdan · 09-26-2002, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeardofPants
... or a troll.

I doubt it would be an Entwife since there were no gardens in the old forest.

Or me clomping around looking for a midnight snack.

...and the old forest is west not north Plus I don't know how old the story was...

Radagast The Brown · 09-27-2002, 08:32 AM

Quote:

originally posted by Cirdan
...and the old forest is west not north

actually it was north west.

Cirdan, are you that big???

you are an elf right?

Cirdan · 09-27-2002, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
actually it was north west.

Cirdan, are you that big??? you are an elf right?

Think Stryder. Tall, steel blue eyes, grey flecked dark hair, disheveled clothing. But I will be king someday.

rainbow · 09-27-2002, 02:52 PM

oooooooooooooo,

mayb entwives decided to sailaway to the land of no return after many of them had been killed by sauron and end their greif by sailing off into the sunset?

thats imagination i think the ent story line is best left unfinished because u hav to have sum loose ends a story can be too perfect and its nice to hav some things to consider for yourself

***IronParrot*** · 09-27-2002, 08:51 PM

I'm going off on a complete tangent, but doing it so briefly that it doesn't warrant another thread (yet), so ignore me:

Quote:

"Novel" ?! IP, you should know better!

Um... don't see what you're getting at here. Did I miss some sort of big semantic debate about this while I was on leave?

So... what else am I to call it? Literary masterpiece? Magnum opus? Epic achievement? Genre-defining fiction?

Because it sure as hell ain't a trilogy.

Ñólendil · 09-28-2002, 03:24 AM

Beardofpants is quite correct. I was going to get on your case about it, but I'm getting tired of doing that these days

The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien said, is not at all a novel, but "an heroic romance", which Tolkien said was "a much older style of literature". So call it a romance, or in full a heroic romance.

Cirdan · 09-28-2002, 07:15 AM

As a literary form. It is still, however, a significantly long work of fiction and as such is can be described as a novel in the physical sense. An even more general to that is still acurate is... book.

***IronParrot*** · 09-29-2002, 04:52 AM

Um, anyway, about them Ents...

09-22-2002, 12:40 AM	#1
Varda-Me Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 40	Ents Maybe it's just me, but I was always somewhat disappointed in the Ent storyline. Don't get me wrong - I love Ents (who wouldn't want an Ent in their life, although it would be hard to find a place for it), but it always seemed to me that the storyline came to a dead end. One never knows what happens to them. Indeed, one never knows what happened to the Entwives. The whole thing just sort of seemed to go nowhere. Am I wrong? Did I miss something?

09-24-2002, 09:14 PM	#3
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Ents Ents do normally take a long time to do things. They don't like to be hasty, unless they are aroused. In terms of Isenguard, they were more angry than they had been in ages, so they came to their decision in a record 1 day (maybe 2.)

09-25-2002, 12:02 AM	#4
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	No, I think it's just another doomed and tragic storyline. Tolkien seemed to like them somewhat. I personally think it makes it more interesting that he didn't resolve it. Although in Letters he suggested that maybe the entwives were wiped out in Sauron's scorched earth policy. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

09-25-2002, 05:00 PM	#5
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	I agree with the notion that the Ent storyline is far and away beyond the scope of LOTR. Besides, I prefer that the story is left largely implicit, highlighting one last moment of glory of a race in decline... and, as you'd expect from Tolkien, the triumph of the natural over the grotesque machinations of artificiality. I'm of the school of thought that in any form of storytelling, what's left ambiguous is often just as effective as exposition. What's not said says just as much as what is. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

09-25-2002, 06:08 PM	#7
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Um... I think it's best you read the novel first... then you'll see. I don't think a description would do them justice. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

09-22-2002, 01:26 AM	#2
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	When I think of the Ents, I imagine creatures on a totally different "time schedule". Everything they did took so long, they had been around forever. The passing of ages was a day in the life for Ents, so their story just can't be told like everyone else's. The Ents probably stood around talking about the Isengard thing for twenty centurys! Their story moves too slowly to tell! This is based on nothing but my imagination.

09-25-2002, 05:09 PM	#6
Hanza Woolly Jumper Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In my field of paper flowers and candy clouds of lullaby Posts: 1,200	I feel really stupid here but What exactly is an Ent?

09-25-2002, 06:31 PM	#8
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	"Novel" ?! IP, you should know better! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

09-26-2002, 02:51 PM	#9
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Whatever you want to call Tolkein's Great Work... ...yes it would be good to read the Trilogy..book...novel...thing. An Ent is an ancient tree-like creature. Ents are the males and Entwives are the females. Sauron killed virtually all the Famales who lived on what is now the Brown Lands. The Ents stayed in the forest Fangorn. It is rumoured that an Entwife was seen in the Shire. But no-one's sure. This was a severly inadequate description of the amazing Ents.

09-26-2002, 03:00 PM	#10
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I think I remember reading in 'Letters' that it was also possible that there still were a few entwives either as slaves in Mordor or hiding in the far east. __________________ We are not things.

09-26-2002, 05:15 PM	#11
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	In the "Conspiracy" chapter there is a story about "creatures as big as an elm" seen in the northern lands. Could be a stray Ent or Entwife. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

09-26-2002, 05:17 PM	#12
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	... or a troll. I doubt it would be an Entwife since there were no gardens in the old forest. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

09-27-2002, 02:52 PM	#16
rainbow Enting Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: in my head Posts: 61	oooooooooooooo, mayb entwives decided to sailaway to the land of no return after many of them had been killed by sauron and end their greif by sailing off into the sunset? thats imagination i think the ent story line is best left unfinished because u hav to have sum loose ends a story can be too perfect and its nice to hav some things to consider for yourself __________________ smile & be happy (frodo lives) BANANERISM RULES!!!!! the spotty dog chases its tail till all its spots fall off!

09-28-2002, 03:24 AM	#18
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Beardofpants is quite correct. I was going to get on your case about it, but I'm getting tired of doing that these days The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien said, is not at all a novel, but "an heroic romance", which Tolkien said was "a much older style of literature". So call it a romance, or in full a heroic romance. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

09-28-2002, 07:15 AM	#19
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	As a literary form. It is still, however, a significantly long work of fiction and as such is can be described as a novel in the physical sense. An even more general to that is still acurate is... book. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

09-29-2002, 04:52 AM	#20
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Um, anyway, about them Ents... __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

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