Inapropriate behavior from Bombadill

The Ringbearer · 06-07-2002, 04:10 AM

Why in Eru's name would Tom tell the hobbits to strip and run around after the Barrows?!

I could understand if the needed to stretch their legs, or feel the sun, but isn't this a bit extreme?
( NO CRUDE JOKES,PLEASE!)

BeardofPants · 06-07-2002, 04:51 AM

What?!

*Checks battered copy of LOTR*

Oh! I forgot about that part!

I guess it's an oblique symbol of freedom: The dark of the barrows, as compared to frolicking around under the warm sun.

Findegil · 06-07-2002, 07:22 AM

They had no clouthes but the rag of the tomb. And I think tom wanted them to get rid of that. And the running was to get them warm, leg-strecht and fully awakened.

Respectfully
Findegil

Laredith · 06-07-2002, 10:25 AM

Well, you must remember the type of stuff that Tolkien studied. It might have been common to do that in the stuff that he read (I know people give me weird looks for doing things in my stories like having a girl and a guy have an adventure together and not fall in love, and stuff similar to that).

Wulažg · 06-07-2002, 11:11 AM

The hobbits didn't really mind, they had already taken a bath together(minus Merry of course)... they really needed to forget about the nasty Barrow Wights.

Blackheart · 06-07-2002, 11:35 AM

Impose your outmoded forms of modesty upon someone else!

Clothes are evil! EEEEEEVil I tell you!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 06-07-2002, 12:08 PM

Remember that Tom was also very much in tune with nature.

Tar-Elendil · 06-07-2002, 12:33 PM

im just glad they didnt show that in the movie:P

BeardofPants · 06-07-2002, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tar-Elendil
im just glad they didnt show that in the movie:P

Speak for some. I'm sure there're tonnes of fangirls out there who'd sell thier soul to see Elijah naked...

Wulažg · 06-07-2002, 06:12 PM

I'm soo mad that they took out all of Bombadil. grrr...

As if poor Elijah doesn't have enough problems with fangirls as is...

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 06-07-2002, 07:40 PM

Let's not start getting into the movie guys.

***azalea*** · 06-07-2002, 11:01 PM

I loved that part. There's nothing wrong w/ nudeness. People used to be nude all the time in front of each other.

samwise of the shire · 06-08-2002, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Speak for some. I'm sure there're tonnes of fangirls out there who'd sell thier soul to see Elijah naked...

Umm If you're think Sam forget it. Although I dunno bout FF or RE... Sorry guys.*blushes*J/K
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Personally I think that there is a thing with Tolkien and nudity. Pip,Sam, and Frodo in Crickhollow, The Hobbits and the Barrow Wights, Gandalf on Carhadras after the fight with the Balrog,And poor Frodo in Cirith Ungol.
Tolkien did NOT like allegory and yet it did show up in the books. I think that either he was A. Thinking dirty thoughts when he wrote those bits, or B. He had the mind set that nudity had like a significance of innoncence and purity. I think B. Is more probable, he was a Chrisitian and with Christianity the theology and the symbolism of ALOT of things kind of imbeds into your mind so that many times in comes out in writing whether you mean it or not.
So I think Tolkien put that down out of thinking and because it was imbedded in his mind. If you think about it in ALL of the parts where the characters are nude they were being cleaned physically and mentally. The bath scene was when the three hobbits were getting the gunk off of them, the Barrow scene was to get rid of the bad memories of the wights and thier fouls dreams, Gandalf could not become Gandalf the White until he was clothed in white in Lorien and to do that the Grey had to burn away, and all though Frodo still had the Ring and the terror of the nterogation on his mind he was free from the poison of Shelob.
Anywho that's MY two cents worth.
Sam who is a Chrsitian and does not want to have alot of people on her back because she wrote that above.

BeardofPants · 06-08-2002, 12:49 AM

Nudity is NOT just a christian theme. It appears in many mythological dialogues. Usually, it is symbolic for freedom, etc. I'm not too familiar with polish myth, but surely his influences would come more from this POV than from his christian one? Just a thought.

Nienna Grey · 06-08-2002, 12:57 AM

I think running around naked in the sunshine is just the right thing to do after being imprisoned by barrow-wights

ArwenEvenstar · 06-08-2002, 03:09 PM

on the subject of ppl being nude, dont forget the romans public orgies lol

Ërendil · 06-08-2002, 04:22 PM

I have no problem with people being nude - and if it were me who had just been imprisioned by the barrow - wights I would try and forget as much about it as possible. That would include gettin rid of the rags that i was clothed in. I liked that part...i agree with azalea!

Christiana · 06-08-2002, 10:28 PM

Hey Sam, duh the orcs stripped him. also, we live in a perverted society that thinks nudeness is a crimanal act.

BeardofPants · 06-09-2002, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Christiana
Hey Sam, duh the orcs stripped him. also, we live in a perverted society that thinks nudeness is a crimanal act.

Orcs? Don't you mean the barrow wights?!

The Ringbearer · 06-09-2002, 02:28 AM

Man! Leave a thread for a day and look what happens!

Sam, every time you put your ''two cents'' in, they're beautifully polished! As a 13 yo I can't say that I've ever thought things through that deeply, but as a fellow Christian I enjoyed reading that post.

The orks also took his clothes in the Tower of Cirith Ungol, Beard of Pants.

Also, I thought that the hobbits had SOME kind of division between the bathtubs! Frodo DID saythere were three baths, didn't he?

06-07-2002, 04:10 AM	#1
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	Inapropriate behavior from Bombadill Why in Eru's name would Tom tell the hobbits to strip and run around after the Barrows?! I could understand if the needed to stretch their legs, or feel the sun, but isn't this a bit extreme? ( NO CRUDE JOKES,PLEASE!) __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!

06-07-2002, 04:51 AM	#2
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	What?! Checks battered copy of LOTR Oh! I forgot about that part! I guess it's an oblique symbol of freedom: The dark of the barrows, as compared to frolicking around under the warm sun. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

06-07-2002, 10:25 AM	#4
Laredith Enting Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gondor...no seriously, I do. Posts: 64	Well, you must remember the type of stuff that Tolkien studied. It might have been common to do that in the stuff that he read (I know people give me weird looks for doing things in my stories like having a girl and a guy have an adventure together and not fall in love, and stuff similar to that). __________________ "You're rum little creatures, you humans." --Bree, from HHB ohh...and by the way... FRODO LIVES!!!

06-07-2002, 11:11 AM	#5
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	The hobbits didn't really mind, they had already taken a bath together(minus Merry of course)... they really needed to forget about the nasty Barrow Wights. __________________ FRODO LIVES!! EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO rule the world!

06-07-2002, 11:35 AM	#6
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Impose your outmoded forms of modesty upon someone else! Clothes are evil! EEEEEEVil I tell you! __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

06-07-2002, 07:22 AM	#3
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	They had no clouthes but the rag of the tomb. And I think tom wanted them to get rid of that. And the running was to get them warm, leg-strecht and fully awakened. Respectfully Findegil

06-07-2002, 12:08 PM	#7
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Remember that Tom was also very much in tune with nature.

06-07-2002, 12:33 PM	#8
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	im just glad they didnt show that in the movie:P __________________ Why can we not be sober..

06-07-2002, 06:12 PM	#10
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	I'm soo mad that they took out all of Bombadil. grrr... As if poor Elijah doesn't have enough problems with fangirls as is... __________________ FRODO LIVES!! EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO rule the world!

06-07-2002, 07:40 PM	#11
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Let's not start getting into the movie guys.

06-07-2002, 11:01 PM	#12
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I loved that part. There's nothing wrong w/ nudeness. People used to be nude all the time in front of each other.

06-08-2002, 12:49 AM	#14
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Nudity is NOT just a christian theme. It appears in many mythological dialogues. Usually, it is symbolic for freedom, etc. I'm not too familiar with polish myth, but surely his influences would come more from this POV than from his christian one? Just a thought. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

06-08-2002, 12:57 AM	#15
Nienna Grey Enting Join Date: May 2002 Location: England Posts: 62	I think running around naked in the sunshine is just the right thing to do after being imprisoned by barrow-wights __________________ "Mornie Utúlië Believe and you will find your way"

06-08-2002, 03:09 PM	#16
ArwenEvenstar Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: and why do YOU want to know? Posts: 685	on the subject of ppl being nude, dont forget the romans public orgies lol __________________ The only thing active about me is my imagination!

06-08-2002, 04:22 PM	#17
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I have no problem with people being nude - and if it were me who had just been imprisioned by the barrow - wights I would try and forget as much about it as possible. That would include gettin rid of the rags that i was clothed in. I liked that part...i agree with azalea! __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

06-08-2002, 10:28 PM	#18
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	Hey Sam, duh the orcs stripped him. also, we live in a perverted society that thinks nudeness is a crimanal act. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

06-09-2002, 02:28 AM	#20
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	Man! Leave a thread for a day and look what happens! Sam, every time you put your ''two cents'' in, they're beautifully polished! As a 13 yo I can't say that I've ever thought things through that deeply, but as a fellow Christian I enjoyed reading that post. The orks also took his clothes in the Tower of Cirith Ungol, Beard of Pants. Also, I thought that the hobbits had SOME kind of division between the bathtubs! Frodo DID saythere were three baths, didn't he? __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!