Second Time Around

GandalfTheWhite · 10-19-2002, 01:11 AM

Well im starting to goto LOTR for my second time and i was just wondering if anyone had any things i should look for or tips about going over it again?

***IronParrot*** · 10-19-2002, 05:03 PM

Well... the first thing, of course, is to pick up on all the little clues that foreshadow what happens later, now that you know how everything turns out in the end.

For example, my first time through, I didn't really retain a lot of minor details that turn out to be rather pertinent, like the flashes of light from Ecthelion that indicate Denethor was using a palantir, or the Southfarthing weed in Isengard hinting at Saruman's corruption of the Shire.

I don't know if it's the same for you, but my first time through LOTR, I didn't exactly absorb Tolkien's many poems and songs very well. If you kind of skimmed them too, it would be a good idea to wade in them a bit more carefully.

Paying more attention to minor characters would be the next step, I guess. For me, it wasn't until about my third time through it that I really absorbed all that stuff about Ghan-Buri-Ghan and Imrahil and Elladan and Elrohir and such...

Have you already read the appendices?

Khadrane · 10-20-2002, 03:44 PM

I agree with IronParrot. Foreshadowing and poems.

Maren · 10-21-2002, 11:49 AM

Definitely pay attention to the minor charactors, especially at the Council, it makes it infinitely more interesting.

I especially enjoy contrasting the books with the movies, especially the part about Glorfindel. They should have kept him in there, he was by far, the coolest part of the Fellowship.

Maren

***IronParrot*** · 10-21-2002, 02:32 PM

I myself have actually not yet read the book from cover to cover since the day I first saw The Fellowship of the Ring (though I re-read some sections for a paper I was doing). I'm about to attempt it again, for the first time in full since seeing the film, and it will be interesting...

Asfaloth · 11-10-2002, 02:14 PM

The first time round I barely even looked at any of the poems! I didn't realise how stupid I was being! Since then I've read it many times including the poems and it is far better with them

Ërendil · 11-10-2002, 04:09 PM

I find that when I read a book for the first time I generally get caught with the flow of the story. Although I pick up the main concept of what is happening, I miss sometimes vital details that make an event, or the ending more significant.
When going over books I read them much more slowly, and as I know what happenes next I can pay more attention to the details before and after the event and not be impatient.
But, as LOTR is such a long story it sometimes takes a 3rd or 4th going over before all of the semi-major details are acknowledged.
Well that is how it was for me anyway. I have read that book so many times and still I bet that there are details that I have missed.

entss89 · 11-10-2002, 04:15 PM

on my 2nd time around i just skipped the poems because they are too longggggggggggggggggggggggggg!

***IronParrot*** · 11-12-2002, 08:20 PM

I've just been reading LOTR again lately, and... yeah. I catch more and more every single time. The cycle never ends.

entss89, eventually you should get yourself familiar enough with the flow of the book that you can actually read through the poems in detail, because they are one of the highlights of Tolkien's mastery of the language...

10-19-2002, 01:11 AM	#1
GandalfTheWhite Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 297	Second Time Around Well im starting to goto LOTR for my second time and i was just wondering if anyone had any things i should look for or tips about going over it again? __________________ "Behold, I am not Gandalf the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Gandalf the White, who has returned from death. You have no colour now, and I cast you from the order and from the Council." -Gandalf The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say. "He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom." -Gandalf "A thing is about to happen which has not happened since the Elder Days: the Ents are going to wake up and find that they are strong." -Gandalf

10-19-2002, 05:03 PM	#2
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Well... the first thing, of course, is to pick up on all the little clues that foreshadow what happens later, now that you know how everything turns out in the end. For example, my first time through, I didn't really retain a lot of minor details that turn out to be rather pertinent, like the flashes of light from Ecthelion that indicate Denethor was using a palantir, or the Southfarthing weed in Isengard hinting at Saruman's corruption of the Shire. I don't know if it's the same for you, but my first time through LOTR, I didn't exactly absorb Tolkien's many poems and songs very well. If you kind of skimmed them too, it would be a good idea to wade in them a bit more carefully. Paying more attention to minor characters would be the next step, I guess. For me, it wasn't until about my third time through it that I really absorbed all that stuff about Ghan-Buri-Ghan and Imrahil and Elladan and Elrohir and such... Have you already read the appendices? __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

10-20-2002, 03:44 PM	#3
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	I agree with IronParrot. Foreshadowing and poems. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

10-21-2002, 11:49 AM	#4
Maren Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 24	Definitely pay attention to the minor charactors, especially at the Council, it makes it infinitely more interesting. I especially enjoy contrasting the books with the movies, especially the part about Glorfindel. They should have kept him in there, he was by far, the coolest part of the Fellowship. Maren __________________ "Aragorn and Legolas went now with Eomer in the van." -TTT III:VII Van?!?!?! Red, right?

10-21-2002, 02:32 PM	#5
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	I myself have actually not yet read the book from cover to cover since the day I first saw The Fellowship of the Ring (though I re-read some sections for a paper I was doing). I'm about to attempt it again, for the first time in full since seeing the film, and it will be interesting... __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

11-10-2002, 02:14 PM	#6
Asfaloth Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 13	The first time round I barely even looked at any of the poems! I didn't realise how stupid I was being! Since then I've read it many times including the poems and it is far better with them

11-10-2002, 04:09 PM	#7
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I find that when I read a book for the first time I generally get caught with the flow of the story. Although I pick up the main concept of what is happening, I miss sometimes vital details that make an event, or the ending more significant. When going over books I read them much more slowly, and as I know what happenes next I can pay more attention to the details before and after the event and not be impatient. But, as LOTR is such a long story it sometimes takes a 3rd or 4th going over before all of the semi-major details are acknowledged. Well that is how it was for me anyway. I have read that book so many times and still I bet that there are details that I have missed. __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

11-10-2002, 04:15 PM	#8
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	on my 2nd time around i just skipped the poems because they are too longggggggggggggggggggggggggg! __________________ ( tune: im a little teapot) im a little hobbit short and stout here is my ring evil without a doubt when you get me hipped up here me shout get me to mordo as quick as you can.. if you like that song then you should visit www.lordoftherings.net! the ents are coming the ents are coming watch out tower of orthanc for your dark walls shall fall! sauroman, sauroman your name is not the white! for now you are sauroman of many colors! a best frind does not stab u in the back................... they stab u in the front.

11-12-2002, 08:20 PM	#9
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	I've just been reading LOTR again lately, and... yeah. I catch more and more every single time. The cycle never ends. entss89, eventually you should get yourself familiar enough with the flow of the book that you can actually read through the poems in detail, because they are one of the highlights of Tolkien's mastery of the language... __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
The haunted library	jammi567	Writer's Workshop	6	11-06-2006 04:21 PM
Time and Age in Star Wars!?	Halbarad of the Dunedain	The Star Wars Saga	4	08-20-2005 04:07 AM
Introduction: Reading the Sil for the First Time	Bombadillo	The Silmarillion	41	04-03-2005 05:07 AM
Elvish Perception of Time	Elemmírë	Middle Earth	35	02-11-2005 05:53 PM