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04-19-2012, 05:09 PM
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Tolkien that hideous strength
I heard Tolkien didn't like the conclusion to Lewis' Space trilogy. Anyone know why?
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04-19-2012, 10:27 PM
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What I've heard is that Tolkien was super not-happy about C.S. Lewis using some of his material (Numinor, I believe? Among other things) as a part of his background. In fact, I loved the first two books SO much, but by the end of the third I remember tossing down the book and saying, "really?!?" because the whole story took a free-fall downhill IMO and then it never saved itself.
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04-20-2012, 04:28 AM
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It's very different from the first two in the trilogy. I like it, but Out of the Silent Planet is my favorite of the three.
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04-20-2012, 05:06 AM
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IIRC, he felt that both the book and Lewis himself were being too much affected by Charles Williams' occult leanings, which Tolkien thought was dangerous.
It's also why he didn't like Screwtape- "call on the Devil and he shall appear".
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04-20-2012, 01:45 PM
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Hobbit
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what kind of occult leanings did he think were dangerous- I've never read williams
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04-20-2012, 06:41 PM
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Wasn't Williams a member of something called The Order of the Golden Dawn?
After reading Williams' books, I felt that they were saying that if you open up your mind, then you may get the opportunity of being a vessel for goodness, a servant of goodness. My problem with that is that if you open up your mind without discerning what you open it up to, then you won't have a guarantee that it really is goodness that enters. In Williams' books it generally is goodness, but in real life I'm not sure it's so simple.
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04-30-2012, 06:46 PM
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Varnafinde, I think that was basically Tolkien's attitude to Williams.
Wiliams was also a member of the Fellowship of the Rosy Cross, one of the umpteen sects of Rosicrucians, of whom Woody Allen said (as Alvin Singer in "Annie Hall"): "I can't get with any religion that advertises in Popular Mechanics."
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