Entwives in Old Forest?

[Helix]

Does anyone else think that the Entwives lived in the Old Forest by the Shire? Fangorn says that they would have liked it there, and I thought some of the trees in the Old Forest acted kind of like dark Huorns.

[azalea]

I do, also from the fact that the giant whoever saw (see conversation between Ham and other hobbits at beginning of FotR) was compared to a tree. I believe that, but many think that was just something separate, a holdover from when he was intending it to be more like The Hobbit, more of a children's story.

[Wulažg]

I'd like to think that it's true

[Pailan]

There was an intesting discussion on this not too long ago... yes here it's here This is a classic Tolkien question for which there is no solid answer.

[Ñólendil]

Whenever someone wonders about the Entwives I think of two Tolkien letters. In one he said he had no idea what happened to the Entwives, or if the Ents ever found them again. In the later letter he said he was sure that the Ents never found them again in life, though some reunion "beyond" was hoped for, he said this was glimpsed in Treebeard's Ent/Entwife song.

"Together we will take the road that leads into the West,
and far away will find a land where both our hearts may rest."

In that later letter Tolkien said that some of the Entwives fleeing East from what would become the Brown Lands may have been captured by Sauron and put to service there. I find it interesting the Olog-hai first appeared around this time.

Anyway, what I'm getting to is that if Tolkien had the Entwives in mind for the Old Forest, he didn't mention it when he was asked about them. Also he once said that there is no connection between the Entwives and Tom Bombadil.

[Khamûl]

I also say that the Olog-hai are twisted Entwives. I know that no one likes to think about it, but it is a very strong possibility. Maybe the Entwives are in the Old Forest, but have become sleepy and almost like regular trees.

[Strange-Looking Lurker]

*is feeling somewhat lost* Umm...Olog-hai???

[Helix]

Olog-hai are Sauron's "intelligent" trolls, or so I'm told. I don't remember them either.

[Ñólendil]

The Olog-hai are in the Lord of the Rings, but in the Appendices, which many don't read so I'm not surprized you haven't heard of them. From Appendix F:

But at the end of the Third Age a troll-race not before seen appeared in southern Mirkwood and in the mountain borders of Mordor. Olog-hai they were called in the Black Speech. That Sauron bred them none doubted, though from what stock was not known. Some held that they were not Trolls but giant Orcs; but the Olog-hai were in fashion of body and mind quite unlike even the largest of Orc-kind, whom they far surpassed in size and power. Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race, strong, agile, fierce and cunning, but harder than stone. Unlike the older race of the Twilight they could endure the Sun, so long as the will of Sauron held sway over them. They spoke little, and the only tongue that they knew was the Black Speech of Barad-dûr.

[Wulažg]

In other words, they were fun stuff. We've been wondering how the Olog-hai came into being in the "Favorite Race" thread but we couldn't find a good answer. Entwives is a good idea. There just didn't seem to be anything for Trolls to breed with...

[Helix]

There's a happy thought.

[Elfhelm]

No. It can't be. This is a much better theory:

Nobody knows where the Entwives went to. Nobody knows where the Hobbits came from. They both like gardening. Coincidence? I don't think sooooooo.......

[Elf Girl]

The hobbits came from men. According to Sister Golden Hair, it's in HoME. (which I haven't read )

[Elfhelm]

Well, they certainly weren't turned into trolls!

Sauron didn't breed pterodactyls to make ringwraith mounts, he twisted them. And Melkor didn't breed elves to make orcs, he perverted them. So why would they have needed to do this terrible thing to the entwives to make Olughai?

They found a place they liked and went to sleep.

[Helix]

Hobbits DEFINITELY came from men. They speak the same languages and like the same things. And besides, Tolkien himself says so (I forget where, I thought it was in the intro of The Fellowship, but perhaps not).

[Elfhelm]

Originally posted by Ñólendil
In that later letter Tolkien said that some of the Entwives fleeing East from what would become the Brown Lands may have been captured by Sauron and put to service there. I find it interesting the Olog-hai first appeared around this time.

What time do you mean? Is this something that comes at the end of the third age? Because Nolendil quoted the source here --

Originally posted by Ñólendil
"But at the end of the Third Age a troll-race not before seen appeared in southern Mirkwood and in the mountain borders of Mordor. Olog-hai they were called in the Black Speech. "

[Radagast The Brown]

originally posted by Helix

Hobbits DEFINITELY came from men. They speak the same languages and like the same things. And besides, Tolkien himself says so (I forget where, I thought it was in the intro of The Fellowship, but perhaps not).

So how did the hobbits become to be so small?

[Finrod Felagund]

Yet in Valinor, I'm sure, Ents AND Entwives yet live and Entings are born.

[Helix]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown


So how did the hobbits become to be so small?

I guess that's just how they evolved.

[Elfhelm]

'All right', said Sam, laughing with the rest. 'But what about these Tree-men, these giants, as you might call them? They do say that one bigger than a tree was seen up away beyond the North Moors not long back.'
'Who's they?'
'My cousin Hal for one. He works for Mr. Boffin at Overhill and goes up to the Northfarthing for the hunting. He saw one.'
'Says he did, perhaps. Your Hal's always saying that he's seen things; and maybe he sees things that ain't there.'
'But this one was as big as an elm tree, and walking -- walking seven yards to a stride, if it was an inch.'
'Then I bet it wasn't an inch. What he saw was an elm tree, as like as not.'
'But this one was walking, I tell you; and there ain't no elm tree on the North Moors.'
'Then Hal can't have seen one', said Ted.

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pshaw! made into trolls... indeed! sounds like RPG theories... hmmph!