Who is Sifo-Dyas? - Page 2

Sween · 05-26-2002, 01:15 PM

right im not even gonna try and understand that

BeardofPants · 05-26-2002, 01:20 PM

What's there to understand? By bringing/helping to bring the dark side to the fore, he is counterbalancing to good side, ie like the scales of justice.

Of course, it could be that he brings balance by destroying first the good side, and THEN the bad side (Jedi massacre (pure speculation here), and then the Emperor, and being "saved".)

OR, it could be that he brings balance by having Luke and Leia. Both of which act in the rebellion in a HUGE way. Luke by saving Anakin, and Leia by acting as the catalyst, and helming the rebellion....

Arathorn · 05-26-2002, 01:27 PM

Well, if he kills most of the Jedi, what are left are Yoda and Obi Wan for the good side and him and th Emperor on the Dark. The first 2 join with the force and he kills the Emperor and then has a change of heart and joins the force as well.

Perhaps it could be that most of the force (residing in midichlorians) is now (except for Luke and Leia) liberated from any controlling Jedi or Sith to spread from living thing to living thing.

***azalea*** · 05-26-2002, 01:33 PM

When they bagan talking about that balance in Epi I I immediately thought that too -- the scales seemed tipped to the side of good guys, so balance would mean tipping it toward the dark side. So I thought why would they want to train a guy in the Jedi arts who has that as his destiny? Then I thought well maybe they hoped to mold him to the good side before the dark side could claim him. These were just my random thoughts on the matter. I had also thought of the Luke/Leia thing, but I han't thought about the killing of the Emperor -- that's a good theory. But that still doesn't go with what I would see as "balance". Hmm.

Elvellon · 06-25-2002, 09:49 AM

Interesting theory about balance. But the Force is not just the Jedi, they are “only” wielders of the Force. The Jedi may work towards the Light side, but were their influence upon the Republic so pervasive that it made it clearly unbalanced towards the Light side?
For what I saw in the movies I’m under the impression that that is not the case. Even with their numbers they seem to be hard pressed to avoid the Republic fall into anarchy.

***azalea*** · 06-25-2002, 02:07 PM

Very good point -- I think you're right, it means all of the
Universe, not just the Jedi.

Ocarina654 · 06-25-2002, 03:53 PM

Nononono! you got it all wrong...! Vader brings the force back into balance by killing the all powerful Emperor, and by returning to the Light Side at the same time. This destroys the Dark Side at sets the force into balance because now there is no more fighiting, no more evil. Now because there is only one 'team' one the force, its balanced. Now because there is no Dark Side fighting aginst them, all the Good jedi have it balanced. Its kinda like one of those common sence things....

no im just kidding. But really thats how it is with the balance.

on the Sifa-Dias note. If it was Qui-Gon, well that wouldn't work. it was one SIFA-DIAS not Qui-Gon Jinn! We'll just have to wait and see exactly who it is. Though if it WAS Qui-Gon that would be quite interesting!

elendili · 06-26-2002, 06:35 AM

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on the Sifa-Dias note. If it was Qui-Gon, well that wouldn't work

It wouldn't work coz Obi-wan seemed to know who Sifa-Dias was so it couldn't have been Qui-Gon who was his master.

There can't be balance if there's only one side, its like a see-saw if all the weight is one side the saw tips, the good and dark side have to be evenly balanaced to bring balance. I reckon Anakin had to go to the dark side to make eveything balanced coz he's so powerful he is equivilent to several Jedi on the good side

***Earniel*** · 07-01-2002, 06:29 PM

I thought count Dooku used the name of the dead Sifo Dyas to convince the Kaminoans they were building the clone army for the republic. Jango Fett was hired by a guy called Tyranus and at the end Darth Sidous calls count Dooku Tyranus. So I think Dooku arranged everything to get Darth Sidious an army.

Wayfarer · 07-01-2002, 08:18 PM

Another thought- What if sifo-dyas is who count dooku was before he left the jedi order?

He's supposed to be dead... but then again, so was anakin. What if he slipped off and took another name?

BeardofPants · 07-01-2002, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
Another thought- What if sifo-dyas is who count dooku was before he left the jedi order?

He's supposed to be dead... but then again, so was anakin. What if he slipped off and took another name?

Perhaps. But Obi Wan appeared to know him as Count Dooku, and he had a pretty public persona.

Jediknight · 04-18-2007, 05:54 PM

My thought is that the balance is the jedi who will restore peace and the chosen one is luke, so the council are misstaking.

rohirrim TR · 04-18-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jediknight

My thought is that the balance is the jedi who will restore peace and the chosen one is luke, so the council are misstaking.

Actually Anakin brought balance to the force, after his betrayal the jedi were whittled down to two Jedi and two Sith = balance after Vader's death and the Empreror's death, the force was no longer in balance. Fast forward 30 years and the jedi under Luke have repopulated again the force is no longer in balance, the last SW book I read is basically the rise of Jacen Solo as the next sith lord who will bring the force into balance again. I'm sure you can all see the vicious circle here.

me9996 · 04-18-2007, 08:08 PM

Of chorse one theory that has not been brought up is that perhaps the jedi are not the good guys but insted trying to acheve balance.

That would explain why the sith (Defanate bad-guys) are such a threat, why the jedi side of things is never refered to in the movies as 'the light side', and why the jedi are never the agressors.

I kinda like this theory becuase that would mean there would be light-side wielders, likely mistaken for sith due to their agressive pursuit of ending the sith.

(Realy that doesn't work that well)

rohirrim TR · 04-18-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by me9996

Of chorse one theory that has not been brought up is that perhaps the jedi are not the good guys but insted trying to acheve balance.

That would explain why the sith (Defanate bad-guys) are such a threat, why the jedi side of things is never refered to in the movies as 'the light side', and why the jedi are never the agressors.

I kinda like this theory becuase that would mean there would be light-side wielders, likely mistaken for sith due to their agressive pursuit of ending the sith.

(Realy that doesn't work that well)

Well the'yre both trying to achieve balance. Its like Obi-Wan says "it all depends on your point of view". In terms of a story there has to be a good guy/bad guy, but ultimately they're saying there is no such thing; there is simply the attempt to find balance, the yin and yang.

This is the deeper meaning in SW, its beyond good and evil, it totally fits this post modern world we live in, now the whole pattern is more visible in the EU, but given how the force is a blend of eastern tao, and Aurelius's LOGOS I would say thats where Lucas was going.

If you look at the entire history (of SW) you see this vicious circle, the Sith come to power and dominate then the Jedi destroy the Sith, or almost destroy them, then the sith come back, as far as I can tell the force was only in balance for the few hours that only two of each order existed.

ayra · 06-04-2007, 10:08 PM

Well, you know this all depends on your point of view... So, Qui-Gon could have gone undercover and gotten the Kaminoins(sp) to make a Clone Army. If I remember correctly, Qui-Gon could have been on the Council except for the fact that he was too unpredictable. He did not always follow the Council's orders. I'm just thinking in my own little box over here.

hectorberlioz · 08-31-2007, 04:08 PM

I think Jabba was Sifo-Dyas. There's no other logical explanation.

ayra · 09-03-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

I think Jabba was Sifo-Dyas. There's no other logical explanation.

Maybe there is no other logical explanation.

BUT Jabba was not a Jedi and the Kaminoians said that it was a Jedi Master that ordered the clones.
I may just give up on trying to figure out who Sifo-Dyas is.

D.Sullivan · 10-28-2007, 04:28 PM

Qui-Gon didn't order the army. It isn't common for people to just go around buying armies, much less a Jedi who doesn't know what it's going to be used for. That I think is very unwise action, and I don't think Qui-Gon was that stupid.

Besides, when in doubt, go to Wookiepedia!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sifo_dias

ayra · 10-30-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by D.Sullivan

Qui-Gon didn't order the army. It isn't common for people to just go around buying armies, much less a Jedi who doesn't know what it's going to be used for. That I think is very unwise action, and I don't think Qui-Gon was that stupid.

Besides, when in doubt, go to Wookiepedia!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sifo_dias

Hmmm, I did not know that... But, of course, 'tis said Wookiepedia is not always correct... Not to say that you are wrong.

05-26-2002, 01:15 PM	#21
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	right im not even gonna try and understand that __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

05-26-2002, 01:20 PM	#22
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	What's there to understand? By bringing/helping to bring the dark side to the fore, he is counterbalancing to good side, ie like the scales of justice. Of course, it could be that he brings balance by destroying first the good side, and THEN the bad side (Jedi massacre (pure speculation here), and then the Emperor, and being "saved".) OR, it could be that he brings balance by having Luke and Leia. Both of which act in the rebellion in a HUGE way. Luke by saving Anakin, and Leia by acting as the catalyst, and helming the rebellion.... __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-26-2002, 01:27 PM	#23
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Well, if he kills most of the Jedi, what are left are Yoda and Obi Wan for the good side and him and th Emperor on the Dark. The first 2 join with the force and he kills the Emperor and then has a change of heart and joins the force as well. Perhaps it could be that most of the force (residing in midichlorians) is now (except for Luke and Leia) liberated from any controlling Jedi or Sith to spread from living thing to living thing. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

06-25-2002, 09:49 AM	#25
Elvellon Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lindon Posts: 637	Interesting theory about balance. But the Force is not just the Jedi, they are “only” wielders of the Force. The Jedi may work towards the Light side, but were their influence upon the Republic so pervasive that it made it clearly unbalanced towards the Light side? For what I saw in the movies I’m under the impression that that is not the case. Even with their numbers they seem to be hard pressed to avoid the Republic fall into anarchy. __________________ **************************************** "None are more hoplessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Reality is just an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein The Caffeine Mantra It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Brazil that the thoughts aquire speed, The hands aquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion... Elvellon Erelion

07-01-2002, 06:29 PM	#29
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I thought count Dooku used the name of the dead Sifo Dyas to convince the Kaminoans they were building the clone army for the republic. Jango Fett was hired by a guy called Tyranus and at the end Darth Sidous calls count Dooku Tyranus. So I think Dooku arranged everything to get Darth Sidious an army. __________________ We are not things.

05-26-2002, 01:33 PM	#24
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	When they bagan talking about that balance in Epi I I immediately thought that too -- the scales seemed tipped to the side of good guys, so balance would mean tipping it toward the dark side. So I thought why would they want to train a guy in the Jedi arts who has that as his destiny? Then I thought well maybe they hoped to mold him to the good side before the dark side could claim him. These were just my random thoughts on the matter. I had also thought of the Luke/Leia thing, but I han't thought about the killing of the Emperor -- that's a good theory. But that still doesn't go with what I would see as "balance". Hmm.

06-25-2002, 02:07 PM	#26
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Very good point -- I think you're right, it means all of the Universe, not just the Jedi.

06-25-2002, 03:53 PM	#27
Ocarina654 Sapling Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A box under the stairs in the corner of the basement half a block down the street from Jerry's Bait shop. You know the place. Posts: 13	Nononono! you got it all wrong...! Vader brings the force back into balance by killing the all powerful Emperor, and by returning to the Light Side at the same time. This destroys the Dark Side at sets the force into balance because now there is no more fighiting, no more evil. Now because there is only one 'team' one the force, its balanced. Now because there is no Dark Side fighting aginst them, all the Good jedi have it balanced. Its kinda like one of those common sence things.... no im just kidding. But really thats how it is with the balance. on the Sifa-Dias note. If it was Qui-Gon, well that wouldn't work. it was one SIFA-DIAS not Qui-Gon Jinn! We'll just have to wait and see exactly who it is. Though if it WAS Qui-Gon that would be quite interesting!

07-01-2002, 08:18 PM	#30
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Another thought- What if sifo-dyas is who count dooku was before he left the jedi order? He's supposed to be dead... but then again, so was anakin. What if he slipped off and took another name? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-18-2007, 05:54 PM	#32
Jediknight Sapling Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1	My thought is that the balance is the jedi who will restore peace and the chosen one is luke, so the council are misstaking.

06-04-2007, 10:08 PM	#36
ayra Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kalia. YOU HUMANS CAN'T GO THERE! Also land of boredom Posts: 230	Well, you know this all depends on your point of view... So, Qui-Gon could have gone undercover and gotten the Kaminoins(sp) to make a Clone Army. If I remember correctly, Qui-Gon could have been on the Council except for the fact that he was too unpredictable. He did not always follow the Council's orders. I'm just thinking in my own little box over here. __________________ I am Queen Tallie Falcon. Do not mess with me. US KALIANS WILL RULE THOSE FROM THE REPUBLIC! Kalia rocks!

08-31-2007, 04:08 PM	#37
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10-28-2007, 04:28 PM	#39
D.Sullivan Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 102	Qui-Gon didn't order the army. It isn't common for people to just go around buying armies, much less a Jedi who doesn't know what it's going to be used for. That I think is very unwise action, and I don't think Qui-Gon was that stupid. Besides, when in doubt, go to Wookiepedia! http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sifo_dias __________________ Every blade in the field, Every leaf in the forest, Lays down its life in its season, As beautifully as it was taken up. Thoreau. Last edited by D.Sullivan : 10-29-2007 at 12:08 AM.

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