Light Saber VS The Force

Monster_Of_The_Force · 07-08-2007, 01:39 PM

As shown in the fight between Mace Windu and Darth Sidious, your light saber skills are more important than your mastery of the force, because it is clearly shown that Mace Windu would have won.

Although if Anakin Skywalker had reached his potential in the ways of the Dark Side, he would have easily been able to mind control Mace Windu, or suck the life force out of him.

So whats more important, light saber skill, or force mastery?

orithil · 07-09-2007, 05:09 PM

force mastery is more important in my opinion..
1. Force mastery allows increased speed reflexes etc
2. It allows more power, force push etc

On that note is it just me or did it seem that sidious onliy started to lose after Anakin started coming?

Monster_Of_The_Force · 07-11-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by orithil

force mastery is more important in my opinion..
1. Force mastery allows increased speed reflexes etc
2. It allows more power, force push etc

On that note is it just me or did it seem that sidious onliy started to lose after Anakin started coming?

Mace Windu was winning all along, he was conserving his energy yet managing to defend himself while Sidious was wasting it, Mace Windu was waiting for the right time to strike.

brownjenkins · 07-11-2007, 01:33 PM

Light saber skill, in terms of Jedi battles, is really all about the force. What makes one such an incredible saberist is one's ability to anticipate their opponent's moves via the force, and ones increased agility and speed, which also comes via force mastery. Without the force, you could be an incredibly skilled saberist and still be trounced by an average saberist with the force on his side. One example of this is Luke's ability to master the saber so quickly, eventhough he had never used one before Obi Wan handed it to him. And how quickly his skill improves over the course of the movies, due mostly to his increased force mastery.

It also seems that power in the force translates into speed and anticipation when battling. Sidious, who was incredibly strong in the force, was able to kill three Jedi in mere seconds before facing Windu. Windu, by comparison, put up a much better fight and would have won without Anakin stepping in (which kind of throws out the whole Jedi prophecy, but that's another argument

). This was not because he was more skilled at the saber, but because he was more skilled in the force.

me9996 · 07-15-2007, 12:27 AM

For a jedi the force and saber skills are entwined.

Only the sith would consider them seperate. (Or a non-force user, such as us!

)

durinsbane2244 · 07-15-2007, 11:03 PM

indeed. i was reading somewhere how difficult it would actually be to handle a lightsaber, as it would be weightless, so someone such as ourselves would not be able to swing what would feel like an "empty handle" without the counterbalance of a blade, and still have the accuracy and poise a jedi has.

ergo, i'd find a lightsaber useless without the force.

(P.S. you can't just block blaster bolts without the force, either

)

ayra · 07-17-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

(P.S. you can't just block blaster bolts without the force, either

)

Yeah, you can, it's just a little harder... You can block, but you can't aim to hit your opponet...

Of course, that is what we all want to do.

durinsbane2244 · 07-17-2007, 11:19 PM

hm...i suppose you could block...but if you miss by a TAD...

ayra · 07-19-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

hm...i suppose you could block...but if you miss by a TAD...

You may not live to tell about it... Or, you could just learn NOT to miss.

Who would want to miss, anyway? A dummy? Or someone who knows better than to commit suicide, but doesn't want to live?
The options could be endless....

me9996 · 07-19-2007, 03:44 PM

Takes a jedi to use a lightsaber well enough not to miss.

Did you know- erm. Kinda backwards spoilery so I'll put in in spoilers.

I think.

Did you know that origanaly Lucas was going to make lightsabers a comman weapon? (sorta like swords in the three musteteers, they are kinda outdated but still used)

But he desided only to give the jedi (& sith) lightsabers as a sort of eslusive thingy.

durinsbane2244 · 07-19-2007, 11:31 PM

hm...while that's a fun bit of trivia, (and i'm not being rude or sarcastic), i can't think of a way that could be spoilery...:P

durinsbane2244 · 07-19-2007, 11:33 PM

also, sort of lightsabery-related, when anakin's a kid in episode I, why does he call it a "laser-sword"? he's supposed to be some techno-whiz-kid, and he doesn't know the name of a lightsaber?! but he still knows that only jedi carry them!?

me9996 · 07-20-2007, 12:01 PM

Well, the word 'lightsaber' is not said once in episode one so if ani said it that would be the only time in the movie.

If you could do something like that at risk of makeing one of your charictars sound kinda dull, wouldn't you?

And plus, if he came out and called it a lightsaber it would be kinda wierd comeing from him, wouldn't it?

Gwaimir Windgem · 07-20-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by orithil

force mastery is more important in my opinion..
1. Force mastery allows increased speed reflexes etc
2. It allows more power, force push etc

3. To point out Mace vs. Sidious again, it allows you to fry the guts out of your opponent.

So, yeah, force is more important.

durinsbane2244 · 07-20-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by me9996

And plus, if he came out and called it a lightsaber it would be kinda wierd comeing from him, wouldn't it?

not at all. as i said, he's a technological whiz-kid, so he understands the hardware, and if he knew enough that they were the special weapons of the jedi, he should know their name.

me9996 · 07-20-2007, 04:54 PM

Well yeah, but haven't you ever not used the right name for something when talking to an expert on it?

Ah well... Maybe I'm wrong...

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

3. To point out Mace vs. Sidious again, it allows you to fry the guts out of your opponent.

So, yeah, force is more important.

But he reflected the lightning with his lightsaber untill he lost it, and his hand...

Gwaimir Windgem · 07-20-2007, 05:39 PM

He was still pretty flippin' fried.

durinsbane2244 · 07-21-2007, 05:25 PM

well said. *applause*

ayra · 07-23-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

not at all. as i said, he's a technological whiz-kid, so he understands the hardware, and if he knew enough that they were the special weapons of the jedi, he should know their name.

But still, he was living in the Outer Rim... There was no Republic out there, so he might not have heard the real name for the lightsaber...

Alec · 01-13-2014, 01:56 PM

You need the force to wield a lightsaber you can't without the force.

Unless you are programed to which is expensive. (General grevios(spelling unknown))

07-08-2007, 01:39 PM	#1
Monster_Of_The_Force Sapling Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3	Light Saber VS The Force As shown in the fight between Mace Windu and Darth Sidious, your light saber skills are more important than your mastery of the force, because it is clearly shown that Mace Windu would have won. Although if Anakin Skywalker had reached his potential in the ways of the Dark Side, he would have easily been able to mind control Mace Windu, or suck the life force out of him. So whats more important, light saber skill, or force mastery?

07-09-2007, 05:09 PM	#2
orithil Captain Jack Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: High Charity Posts: 598	force mastery is more important in my opinion.. 1. Force mastery allows increased speed reflexes etc 2. It allows more power, force push etc On that note is it just me or did it seem that sidious onliy started to lose after Anakin started coming? __________________ Captain Jack Sparrow: When you marooned me on that god forsaken spit of land, you forgot one very important thing, mate: I’m Captain Jack Sparrow. Cortana: So have you got a plan to get out? Master Chief: I was gonna shoot my way out. Mix things up a little.

07-11-2007, 01:33 PM	#4
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	Light saber skill, in terms of Jedi battles, is really all about the force. What makes one such an incredible saberist is one's ability to anticipate their opponent's moves via the force, and ones increased agility and speed, which also comes via force mastery. Without the force, you could be an incredibly skilled saberist and still be trounced by an average saberist with the force on his side. One example of this is Luke's ability to master the saber so quickly, eventhough he had never used one before Obi Wan handed it to him. And how quickly his skill improves over the course of the movies, due mostly to his increased force mastery. It also seems that power in the force translates into speed and anticipation when battling. Sidious, who was incredibly strong in the force, was able to kill three Jedi in mere seconds before facing Windu. Windu, by comparison, put up a much better fight and would have won without Anakin stepping in (which kind of throws out the whole Jedi prophecy, but that's another argument ). This was not because he was more skilled at the saber, but because he was more skilled in the force. __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

07-15-2007, 11:03 PM	#6
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	indeed. i was reading somewhere how difficult it would actually be to handle a lightsaber, as it would be weightless, so someone such as ourselves would not be able to swing what would feel like an "empty handle" without the counterbalance of a blade, and still have the accuracy and poise a jedi has. ergo, i'd find a lightsaber useless without the force. (P.S. you can't just block blaster bolts without the force, either ) __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-17-2007, 11:19 PM	#8
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	hm...i suppose you could block...but if you miss by a TAD... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-19-2007, 11:31 PM	#11
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	hm...while that's a fun bit of trivia, (and i'm not being rude or sarcastic), i can't think of a way that could be spoilery...:P __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-19-2007, 11:33 PM	#12
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	also, sort of lightsabery-related, when anakin's a kid in episode I, why does he call it a "laser-sword"? he's supposed to be some techno-whiz-kid, and he doesn't know the name of a lightsaber?! but he still knows that only jedi carry them!? __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-20-2007, 05:39 PM	#17
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	He was still pretty flippin' fried. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

07-21-2007, 05:25 PM	#18
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	well said. applause __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

01-13-2014, 01:56 PM	#20
Alec Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: USA until I find ME, than I will be roaming ME on a black steed Posts: 109	You need the force to wield a lightsaber you can't without the force. Unless you are programed to which is expensive. (General grevios(spelling unknown)) Last edited by Alec : 01-13-2014 at 02:14 PM.

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