Casting Details: Age, Look,Height, Skills?

Pippin Skywalker · 10-26-2002, 04:50 AM

I don't know how far along this project is...but I have some questions as to what is required for the various parts.

Role of Gandalf: Age?
Role of Eowyn? Age? Look, Height?
Role of Arwen?
Aragorn?

Also: If someone is not EXACTLY like the part (i.e. the character is blonde and and the actress is a brunette....I suppose you could use a wig since stage is distant? )

This is where Hama can vent his casting thoughts

hama1 · 10-30-2002, 11:10 PM

That is such a great post/question I am sorry I haven't responded sooner and I also wish I could lay my hands on the disc with the character descriptions from the read-through of the script.

As for Gandalf, my thinking is that he will probably be an actor in his 50's to perhaps at most, early sixties given the rigors of doing eight perfomances a week. He is written as a baritone though the quality of his voice is somewhat less important than other major characters.

Eowyn is definitely early to mid twenties, blond (either naturally or with a wig) tall, (minimum 5'10") and athletically built. The actress I am thinking of will be striking looking rather than "pretty" or "classically beautiful". A Broadway actress I would love to see in the part is Alice Ripley or perhaps the original actress from the musical "Contact" (No it is not an adaptation of the space movie) but I cannot think of her name as I type this.

Arwen is too small a character to really worry about.

As for Aragorn, I see him as older looking than the actor who portrays him in the movies, Vito ?????. He also has to be at least 6'2" to 6'4". He is written as a lyric baritone or baritenor able to sing a high B flat with power.

The human and elf characters will have to be portrayed by tall actors to create a sufficient illusion of height difference with the hobbits and Gimli.

Also, it might be of interest to some of you here that I intend to have the same actor portray Boromir and Faramir.

Guess that's about it for now. I hope my answers lead to more questions. I like this thread.

Pippin Skywalker · 10-31-2002, 01:28 AM

Since I am interested in auditioning for this role I would like to know what voice range Eowyn is?

hama1 · 10-31-2002, 01:00 PM

Eowyn is a belt soprano to High C. Basically if you can sing Fantine's songs from Les Miz you are tight there. "with His Words" has much the same feel as "I Dreamed a Dream."

Mistabella · 12-21-2002, 04:35 PM

I read your ideas about casting. Now, may I make it clear that I am not flaming you! I was just wondering if the casting stuff is definite. Voice range and also age, to some extent (it is hard for seventy-year old to perform eight times a week) are inflexible. Stuff about looks, however (Eowyn--blonde athlete) I think should be negotiable. It's the skills that count, and casting based on how someone's looks "fit" the part can be considered type casting. I am not accusing you of this or trying to be mean, cuz I know theater works this way sometimes. It is just that I am a musical theater fan and have been outcast more than once by someone who can't act because I'm too tall. One other thing--what are the voice ranges for Arwen and--more importantly--Galadriel?

Dolenloteiel · 12-22-2002, 05:56 PM

In the books, Galadriel is described as having a deep voice. Cate Blanchett, does not have a naturally deep voice, but she plays Galadriel extremely well. I don't know if the musical would follow the same format, but if it would, I suppose Galadriel would be cast as an alto 2 or possibly an alto 1. Arwen, like Hama said is too insignificant of a character to even worry about, but I would guess she'd be a soprano, comfortably. I would hope to see this musical performed, and being an actress, I would also hope to perform it someday.

hama1 · 12-23-2002, 01:14 AM

For those who would care to, the script is on this site. Go to the main page and the link is to the right. I don't mean that as a put down. I am grateful for the thoughts and suggestions posted here. However...the whole visit to Lothlorien is cut out of the musical. Galadriel and Celeborn never actually appear. After seeing TTT i will never again apologize for a cit or change I make.

Adrian Baggins · 12-27-2002, 11:35 PM

Frodo needs a solo song! Why does Sam get one but not Frodo!? Frodo only gets a small part of his song solo.Definatally NOT FAIR!!!!

hama1 · 12-28-2002, 02:40 AM

Frodo has two very important duets. IMHO Sam is a stronger character, hence the solo. Also, in musicals what is sung about a character is often as or more important than what is sung BY a character.

Renille · 01-01-2003, 03:18 PM

I was thinking...how many extra/chorus characters do you plan on having? Because if possible at all, I would love to audition to be a hobbit. But I'm not a boy, so I could never do anyone from the fellowship. Are there any extras?

hama1 · 01-02-2003, 12:25 AM

For purely economic reasons, I envision a cast of 38 to perhaps as many as fifty. Most non-lead charatcers will double at least one other character and an Orc from one scene will be a guard at Edoras in another.

Don't give up your hopes. I would not be surprised if a hobbit or two were portrayed by female actors if only for consideration of relative height.

coralied · 01-02-2003, 08:42 PM

Yes Hama! In a way I have to agree with Mistabella...After being in a few Theatre productions where I have been cast as everything from ahippie in JC Superstar to the lead male role in The Model Student with adoring female fans in tow....Don't limit yourself to looks and age...Talent is everything....Makeup works wonders...and if someone seems too old for a part....The audience will never know unless they are a really old wrinkly as the lights and distance from the stage blur the finer details. Stick with talent and presence...makes up for closeup details that are lost on the stage....Those things only matter in movies.......

And yo never replied to my post about skiing in Vail mate

Coralie

Pippin Skywalker · 01-07-2003, 01:44 AM

How close are you hama to really getting this off the ground?

coralied · 01-10-2003, 09:58 PM

Dear Hama,

Where are you mate? Give us an update please!!!!!!!!

Coralie

Inwe Periannath · 01-11-2003, 11:43 PM

Do you have any openings for a very short (5foot 1inch) girl?Maybe a hobbit? I don't have too much acting experience, but I played Adrian in Rocky in the school play, and my drama teacher said that I have better theater/musical skills than film skills....Well, if you need a very short female, I'm here.
E-mail me at :madi_1313@msn.com or foxxy_cleopatra_13@yahoo.com

Thanks so much!!!

IluvSmeagol13 · 01-12-2003, 03:22 PM

does any1 know when auditions r?i've only been in one play,lesmiz,but i loved it!i'd love to be an extra!i'm around 5'2''...would they take kids for extras(female)?

hama1 · 01-17-2003, 12:38 AM

Coralied,

To be honest I have not made much progress. I have been doing some tinkering with the script but that is about it. I really need to get off my rusty dusty, get the demo done and push my agent to get a yea or nea out of the small group of producers big enough to bring this show to life. If anyone could send me a bottle of anti-procrastination pills I would be most grateful.

Galenavar · 02-17-2003, 03:55 PM

Hey, hama. I've been out of the loop for about, ohhh, a month or two, but I've read about the recent events. You're doing great! And anti-procrastination pills? Are you kidding? Just visit the site more often! With all the people poking, prodding, and begging for more info, I would think that would be enough motivation for anyone to hop to it!

Legoles · 02-23-2003, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Adrian Baggins
Frodo needs a solo song! Why does Sam get one but not Frodo!? Frodo only gets a small part of his song solo.Definatally NOT FAIR!!!!

I have no idea, and you're right it's not fair that Sam gets a bigger part than Frodo

Legoles · 02-24-2003, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pippin Skywalker
I don't know how far along this project is...but I have some questions as to what is required for the various parts.

Role of Gandalf: Age?
Role of Eowyn? Age? Look, Height?
Role of Arwen?
Aragorn?

Also: If someone is not EXACTLY like the part (i.e. the character is blonde and and the actress is a brunette....I suppose you could use a wig since stage is distant? )

This is where Hama can vent his casting thoughts

Legoles: I am blue eyed, fair of hair, unlike the dwarf Gimili who is "big bad and the king of Khazzad."
- not quote from books or TTT movies.

10-26-2002, 04:50 AM	#1
Pippin Skywalker Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 93	Casting Details: Age, Look,Height, Skills? I don't know how far along this project is...but I have some questions as to what is required for the various parts. Role of Gandalf: Age? Role of Eowyn? Age? Look, Height? Role of Arwen? Aragorn? Also: If someone is not EXACTLY like the part (i.e. the character is blonde and and the actress is a brunette....I suppose you could use a wig since stage is distant? ) This is where Hama can vent his casting thoughts __________________ Gimli: I'm Short! I'm Bad! I'm King of Khazaad! Note: That was not an actual quote from J.R.R. Tolkien's novel!

10-31-2002, 01:28 AM	#3
Pippin Skywalker Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 93	Since I am interested in auditioning for this role I would like to know what voice range Eowyn is? __________________ Gimli: I'm Short! I'm Bad! I'm King of Khazaad! Note: That was not an actual quote from J.R.R. Tolkien's novel!

12-21-2002, 04:35 PM	#5
Mistabella Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 16	Type casting I read your ideas about casting. Now, may I make it clear that I am not flaming you! I was just wondering if the casting stuff is definite. Voice range and also age, to some extent (it is hard for seventy-year old to perform eight times a week) are inflexible. Stuff about looks, however (Eowyn--blonde athlete) I think should be negotiable. It's the skills that count, and casting based on how someone's looks "fit" the part can be considered type casting. I am not accusing you of this or trying to be mean, cuz I know theater works this way sometimes. It is just that I am a musical theater fan and have been outcast more than once by someone who can't act because I'm too tall. One other thing--what are the voice ranges for Arwen and--more importantly--Galadriel? __________________ Jellicle songs for jellicle cats, Frodo lives (Bilbo lives too, actually) Write till you drop and watch CATS again--all that jazz.

12-22-2002, 05:56 PM	#6
Dolenloteiel I elenfea Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Somewhere in the chaos between the first and second ages! (Actually, CO) Posts: 556	In the books, Galadriel is described as having a deep voice. Cate Blanchett, does not have a naturally deep voice, but she plays Galadriel extremely well. I don't know if the musical would follow the same format, but if it would, I suppose Galadriel would be cast as an alto 2 or possibly an alto 1. Arwen, like Hama said is too insignificant of a character to even worry about, but I would guess she'd be a soprano, comfortably. I would hope to see this musical performed, and being an actress, I would also hope to perform it someday. __________________ "Middle Earth is a real place. And it is New Zealand." Sir Ian McKellan **************************** QUESTION AUTHORITY Ask me anything ************************** "I have not failed, I've only found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison ************************** Visit Tolkien RP Site! Need members, RP all three Ages! (UNDER CONSTRUCTION) http://elvellon.suddenlaunch2.com **************************** "Yay, I can hear the voices in my head again!

12-27-2002, 11:35 PM	#8
Adrian Baggins Frodo's lil sis HP LotR fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: in a tree reading Harry P. and LotR Posts: 585	Frodo needs a solo song! Why does Sam get one but not Frodo!? Frodo only gets a small part of his song solo.Definatally NOT FAIR!!!! __________________ AB Adrian Baggins wizard, elf, mortal, hobbit Owner of the 3 unknown rings I LIKE HIEI!! LOOK AT MY AVITAR IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS!! H. Hysterically cold I. Insanely unhuman E. Effortlessly mocking I. Irresistabely hott "You're a team player, a save-the-day superhero pause I hate people like you." ~Hiei

10-30-2002, 11:10 PM	#2
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	That is such a great post/question I am sorry I haven't responded sooner and I also wish I could lay my hands on the disc with the character descriptions from the read-through of the script. As for Gandalf, my thinking is that he will probably be an actor in his 50's to perhaps at most, early sixties given the rigors of doing eight perfomances a week. He is written as a baritone though the quality of his voice is somewhat less important than other major characters. Eowyn is definitely early to mid twenties, blond (either naturally or with a wig) tall, (minimum 5'10") and athletically built. The actress I am thinking of will be striking looking rather than "pretty" or "classically beautiful". A Broadway actress I would love to see in the part is Alice Ripley or perhaps the original actress from the musical "Contact" (No it is not an adaptation of the space movie) but I cannot think of her name as I type this. Arwen is too small a character to really worry about. As for Aragorn, I see him as older looking than the actor who portrays him in the movies, Vito ?????. He also has to be at least 6'2" to 6'4". He is written as a lyric baritone or baritenor able to sing a high B flat with power. The human and elf characters will have to be portrayed by tall actors to create a sufficient illusion of height difference with the hobbits and Gimli. Also, it might be of interest to some of you here that I intend to have the same actor portray Boromir and Faramir. Guess that's about it for now. I hope my answers lead to more questions. I like this thread.

10-31-2002, 01:00 PM	#4
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Eowyn is a belt soprano to High C. Basically if you can sing Fantine's songs from Les Miz you are tight there. "with His Words" has much the same feel as "I Dreamed a Dream."

12-23-2002, 01:14 AM	#7
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	For those who would care to, the script is on this site. Go to the main page and the link is to the right. I don't mean that as a put down. I am grateful for the thoughts and suggestions posted here. However...the whole visit to Lothlorien is cut out of the musical. Galadriel and Celeborn never actually appear. After seeing TTT i will never again apologize for a cit or change I make.

12-28-2002, 02:40 AM	#9
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Frodo has two very important duets. IMHO Sam is a stronger character, hence the solo. Also, in musicals what is sung about a character is often as or more important than what is sung BY a character.

01-01-2003, 03:18 PM	#10
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	I was thinking...how many extra/chorus characters do you plan on having? Because if possible at all, I would love to audition to be a hobbit. But I'm not a boy, so I could never do anyone from the fellowship. Are there any extras? __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

01-02-2003, 12:25 AM	#11
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	For purely economic reasons, I envision a cast of 38 to perhaps as many as fifty. Most non-lead charatcers will double at least one other character and an Orc from one scene will be a guard at Edoras in another. Don't give up your hopes. I would not be surprised if a hobbit or two were portrayed by female actors if only for consideration of relative height.

01-02-2003, 08:42 PM	#12
coralied Sapling Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CO Posts: 7	Casting Choices Yes Hama! In a way I have to agree with Mistabella...After being in a few Theatre productions where I have been cast as everything from ahippie in JC Superstar to the lead male role in The Model Student with adoring female fans in tow....Don't limit yourself to looks and age...Talent is everything....Makeup works wonders...and if someone seems too old for a part....The audience will never know unless they are a really old wrinkly as the lights and distance from the stage blur the finer details. Stick with talent and presence...makes up for closeup details that are lost on the stage....Those things only matter in movies....... And yo never replied to my post about skiing in Vail mate Coralie

01-07-2003, 01:44 AM	#13
Pippin Skywalker Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 93	How close are you hama to really getting this off the ground? __________________ Gimli: I'm Short! I'm Bad! I'm King of Khazaad! Note: That was not an actual quote from J.R.R. Tolkien's novel!

01-10-2003, 09:58 PM	#14
coralied Sapling Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CO Posts: 7	Dear Hama, Where are you mate? Give us an update please!!!!!!!! Coralie

01-11-2003, 11:43 PM	#15
Inwe Periannath Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In a hole in the ground, there lived a hobbit.....too bad that I'm not one of them Posts: 1	Hello...I was wondering..... Do you have any openings for a very short (5foot 1inch) girl?Maybe a hobbit? I don't have too much acting experience, but I played Adrian in Rocky in the school play, and my drama teacher said that I have better theater/musical skills than film skills....Well, if you need a very short female, I'm here. E-mail me at :madi_1313@msn.com or foxxy_cleopatra_13@yahoo.com Thanks so much!!!

01-12-2003, 03:22 PM	#16
IluvSmeagol13 Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	does any1 know when auditions r?i've only been in one play,lesmiz,but i loved it!i'd love to be an extra!i'm around 5'2''...would they take kids for extras(female)?

01-17-2003, 12:38 AM	#17
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Coralied, To be honest I have not made much progress. I have been doing some tinkering with the script but that is about it. I really need to get off my rusty dusty, get the demo done and push my agent to get a yea or nea out of the small group of producers big enough to bring this show to life. If anyone could send me a bottle of anti-procrastination pills I would be most grateful.

02-17-2003, 03:55 PM	#18
Galenavar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: WI Posts: 129	Hey, hama. I've been out of the loop for about, ohhh, a month or two, but I've read about the recent events. You're doing great! And anti-procrastination pills? Are you kidding? Just visit the site more often! With all the people poking, prodding, and begging for more info, I would think that would be enough motivation for anyone to hop to it! __________________ Galenavar Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo If there's no magic, there's no meaning.

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