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afro-elf · 05-19-2002, 02:51 PM

Shmi death seems a tad strange?

Did her husband think she was dead?

Why did the sand people keep her alive?

Isn't it odd she would die as soon as ani got there?

BeardofPants · 05-19-2002, 02:57 PM

Shmi's death was very poignant. It's one of the best scenes in the movie.

She had disappeared for over a month, before Anni turned up, so yes, hubby thought she was dead.

And yes, it WAS a plot device that she died pretty much immediately. BUT, maybe she has a little bit of the force in her or something, and that kept her alive 'til Anni showed up.

It was a $#@!ing brillilant scene though! It's my favourite part of the movie... that and the Yoda fight.

And who knows why the tuscan raiders kept her alive?

Arathorn · 05-19-2002, 02:57 PM

Mine ramblings:
Shmi could be a special clone that Sidius could have "placed" there to help Ani get over his first few steps towards the dark side.

BTW, I just noticed that Jango said his recruiter was a Lord Tyrranus. I first thought he said Taranas. It was Dooku all along! What remains to be known is who is this Cipher Diaz who went to Kamino about 10 yrs prior to Ep. II.

BeardofPants · 05-19-2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

It was Dooku all along!

Hey... I missheard that!

What a surprise that is.... Geez.
Thanks for pointing it out, Arathorn. It makes a little more sense now...

Quote:

What remains to be known is who is this Cipher Diaz who went to Kamino about 10 yrs prior to Ep. II.

At the same time as the machinations on Naboo...

BeardofPants · 05-19-2002, 04:57 PM

Interesting that we still haven't found out who Anakin's father is. I wonder if we're going to find out in Ep 3. It seems like a rather big gap to leave out. I was also wondering: could it be Sidious? heh heh. That would explain why Anakin went to the dark side so easily... <grin>

"Anakin, I am your father."
"Nooooooooooooooooooo.....!"

If I'm right, you saw it here first!

***gdl96*** · 05-19-2002, 05:15 PM

IP:

First of all, looks like a nice review you have going, and I agree with a good number of your positives and negatives.

But what do you mean by the expanded universe just got a trashing?

Also, Jar Jar I thought was used much better here than in Episode I...he was actually important. And I agree with you especially on the scene where Anakin tell Padme on Tatooine about how he killed them...etc, and the scene with Anakin and Padme before they enter the arena. The Tatooine scene is where Darth Vader emerges for the first time, showing what Anakin is capable of, and giving a glimpse of what will come. And before they enter the arena was probably the best part of the whole romance plot...it worked, and it was a lot like the carbonite scene in ESB.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-19-2002, 06:27 PM

In the "I slaughtered them all" scene, which I really liked, I agree that it was one of the better scenes, etc. I would have done it slightly differently though. I would have had Anakin's voice, and expression, completely emotionless until he says. "I hate them!" or whatever that line was. . .must see again. . .but anyway, I thought it would have been more effective. But it was still good.

Arathorn · 05-19-2002, 10:55 PM

Of the romance sequences, the one I did not like was when Padme was still packing for Naboo (I just chose to call it romance because it involved only the lovers; their first time alone).

Hayden, I felt, was too abrupt in his mood swing towards Obi Wan or at least too loud. I would've made him sound more like he's wimpering than angry right away; especially since he starts off talking about Jedi virtues he believes in.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-20-2002, 01:29 AM

In that scene I was wondering why he was whining like that to Senator Amidala, and why she was actually listening to him! But of course, that just goes back to wondering what she saw in him! But yeah, he's very loud and angry, though whiney isn't necessarily better. But that kid just annoys me anyway. . .

mithrand1r · 06-18-2002, 03:04 PM

Overall I liked the movie.

It was much better then ST:TPM. (I guess that is not saying too much.)

The beginning and ending were well paced, IMO.
The romantic "Sound of Music" scenes were a bit slow paced for my liking, but I thought The Queen and Anakin acted the role given well enough.

My biggest complaint about the film is the treatment of Anakin's mother.

Since there is a ten year gap between TPM and AOTC one would think that someone (either the Jedi council or Queen Amadala) out of gratitude for what Anakin did to free Naboo would get his mom out of slavery and reunite mother and son.

Maybe this is ultimately why Anakin turned to the Dark Side.

This just seems to be a cheap ploy to move the trip towards the Dark Side for Anakin.

3CPO's comic lines was a bit much For my tastes and I think the movie would have went fine without it.

The Jedi Philosphy (?) of being against love/attachment seems annoying at best. I do not know. Maybe if the reasoning behind it was better explained in the movie.

Lack of Sufficient "Republic" troops to enforce the Will of the Republic and defend the republic against external/internal threats. I may be a bit harsh here since I am not completely sure about the internal workings of the Republic and how it stayed together for about 1,000 years (this is how long I have heard that the Republic was togerther)

I did not completely like the Boba Fett origin story since it contradicted some of the novels I have read and I liked the books history of Fett better. It does not mean that the book is necessarily incompatable with the movie, but it does raise the question of the rest of Boba Fett's upbringing. (He appeared to be about 8-10 in the movie).

I liked:
the Yoda sword play.
The Kenobi character. Too bad didn't get more lines.
Count Dooku.
Jango fett scenes.
The manipulation of events/people by Palpatine.
Jar jar gets to have a role in the downfall of the Republic. Kind of fitting in a way.

The scenes of the Naboo retreat. (I saw a special on Northern Italy a week before seeing ST:AOTC so it was nice to see and recognize Lake Como in the Film)

The Musical score and special effects

These are just some of my impressions of the film. Again overall I liked it, but there were certain areas that I found vexing.

As a side note One comment about Star Wars that I found funny.

In SW:TPM it is stated that Anakin is too old for training, but ST: original trilogy it is ok to train Luke when he is about 18-20yrs old

Sincerely,
Anthony

mrcool · 06-18-2002, 03:20 PM

good it was...bad it wasn't...

elendili · 06-19-2002, 06:14 AM

I thought that the start was a bit slow but ince it got going it was a good film I especially liked the arena scene with all the jedi in it.

The romantic scenes were tiresome but i guess they were necessary 4 the whole luke and leia kids to exist.

I couldn't stop laughing when Joda was fighting Dooku it was so funny the way he walked in hobbling and ended up doing somersaults in the air with a lightsaber.

Obi-wan was funny especially his little one liners all together I thought it ws much better than the phantom menace although it would have been better with more sith jedi fights.

Rei · 06-19-2002, 06:43 PM

I don't know if I liked it....

The whole forbidden romance just killed the movie, especially since Natalie Portman and Hayden Christiansen (?) had absolitely no chemestry. And when they're getting taken into the big fight scene and she's like "I die a little more each day.." talk about a mood killer, a battle field is no place for romance.

A lot of the dialouge was very cheesy, and when C-3PO's head was getting dragged around and he had the line "this is a drag" it became down right horrible.

But Yoda's fight scene rocked and it was a whole lot better than the Phantom Menace. (That little kid that played Anakin bothered me) I really think that Obi-Wan should have been given more lines, he's probably the best actor after Christopher Lee, that the movie had in it.

It looks like my Favorite Star Wars episode is still The Empire Strikes back!

BeardofPants · 06-19-2002, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by Rei
...especially since Natalie Portman and Hayden Christiansen (?) had absolitely no chemestry.

Ah nuts.

I have to agree with that.

*adds to list of grievances*

PS Dex's Diner Sux!

Eruviel Greenleaf · 06-19-2002, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants

PS Dex's Diner Sux!

To that I must agree. Neh.

BeardofPants · 06-19-2002, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf

To that I must agree. Neh.

Somebody agrees with me! Oh the shock.... the shock... (Take that Olson

)

olsonm · 06-19-2002, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeardofPants
(Take that Olson)

Take what? Just because Dex's majesty is beyond your grasp, doesn't mean I look down on your opinion.

BeardofPants · 06-19-2002, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by olsonm
Take what? Just because Dex's majesty is beyond your grasp, doesn't mean I look down on your opinion.

Dex's majesty? Are we talking about the same bloated hands down pants butt crack showing alien?

Eruviel Greenleaf · 06-19-2002, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeardofPants

Dex's majesty? Are we talking about the same bloated hands down pants butt crack showing alien?

Maybe he saw a different movie, eh?

BeardofPants · 06-19-2002, 11:08 PM

Nah. He's just delusional... Must be all those multiple personalities, eh? *evil look*

05-19-2002, 02:51 PM	#41
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Shmi death seems a tad strange? Did her husband think she was dead? Why did the sand people keep her alive? Isn't it odd she would die as soon as ani got there? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-19-2002, 02:57 PM	#42
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Shmi's death was very poignant. It's one of the best scenes in the movie. She had disappeared for over a month, before Anni turned up, so yes, hubby thought she was dead. And yes, it WAS a plot device that she died pretty much immediately. BUT, maybe she has a little bit of the force in her or something, and that kept her alive 'til Anni showed up. It was a $#@!ing brillilant scene though! It's my favourite part of the movie... that and the Yoda fight. And who knows why the tuscan raiders kept her alive? __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-19-2002, 02:57 PM	#43
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Mine ramblings: Shmi could be a special clone that Sidius could have "placed" there to help Ani get over his first few steps towards the dark side. BTW, I just noticed that Jango said his recruiter was a Lord Tyrranus. I first thought he said Taranas. It was Dooku all along! What remains to be known is who is this Cipher Diaz who went to Kamino about 10 yrs prior to Ep. II. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 05-19-2002 at 03:02 PM.

05-19-2002, 04:57 PM	#45
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Interesting that we still haven't found out who Anakin's father is. I wonder if we're going to find out in Ep 3. It seems like a rather big gap to leave out. I was also wondering: could it be Sidious? heh heh. That would explain why Anakin went to the dark side so easily... <grin> "Anakin, I am your father." "Nooooooooooooooooooo.....!" If I'm right, you saw it here first! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords Last edited by BeardofPants : 05-19-2002 at 05:04 PM.

05-19-2002, 06:27 PM	#47
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	In the "I slaughtered them all" scene, which I really liked, I agree that it was one of the better scenes, etc. I would have done it slightly differently though. I would have had Anakin's voice, and expression, completely emotionless until he says. "I hate them!" or whatever that line was. . .must see again. . .but anyway, I thought it would have been more effective. But it was still good. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-19-2002, 05:15 PM	#46
*gdl96* the greg the admin Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: NJ Posts: 2,101	IP: First of all, looks like a nice review you have going, and I agree with a good number of your positives and negatives. But what do you mean by the expanded universe just got a trashing? Also, Jar Jar I thought was used much better here than in Episode I...he was actually important. And I agree with you especially on the scene where Anakin tell Padme on Tatooine about how he killed them...etc, and the scene with Anakin and Padme before they enter the arena. The Tatooine scene is where Darth Vader emerges for the first time, showing what Anakin is capable of, and giving a glimpse of what will come. And before they enter the arena was probably the best part of the whole romance plot...it worked, and it was a lot like the carbonite scene in ESB.

05-19-2002, 10:55 PM	#48
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Of the romance sequences, the one I did not like was when Padme was still packing for Naboo (I just chose to call it romance because it involved only the lovers; their first time alone). Hayden, I felt, was too abrupt in his mood swing towards Obi Wan or at least too loud. I would've made him sound more like he's wimpering than angry right away; especially since he starts off talking about Jedi virtues he believes in. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

05-20-2002, 01:29 AM	#49
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	In that scene I was wondering why he was whining like that to Senator Amidala, and why she was actually listening to him! But of course, that just goes back to wondering what she saw in him! But yeah, he's very loud and angry, though whiney isn't necessarily better. But that kid just annoys me anyway. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

06-18-2002, 03:04 PM	#50
mithrand1r Cyber Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Left of Rock, Right of Hard Place Posts: 986	Impression of ST:ATOC Overall I liked the movie. It was much better then ST:TPM. (I guess that is not saying too much.) The beginning and ending were well paced, IMO. The romantic "Sound of Music" scenes were a bit slow paced for my liking, but I thought The Queen and Anakin acted the role given well enough. My biggest complaint about the film is the treatment of Anakin's mother. Since there is a ten year gap between TPM and AOTC one would think that someone (either the Jedi council or Queen Amadala) out of gratitude for what Anakin did to free Naboo would get his mom out of slavery and reunite mother and son. Maybe this is ultimately why Anakin turned to the Dark Side. This just seems to be a cheap ploy to move the trip towards the Dark Side for Anakin. 3CPO's comic lines was a bit much For my tastes and I think the movie would have went fine without it. The Jedi Philosphy (?) of being against love/attachment seems annoying at best. I do not know. Maybe if the reasoning behind it was better explained in the movie. Lack of Sufficient "Republic" troops to enforce the Will of the Republic and defend the republic against external/internal threats. I may be a bit harsh here since I am not completely sure about the internal workings of the Republic and how it stayed together for about 1,000 years (this is how long I have heard that the Republic was togerther) I did not completely like the Boba Fett origin story since it contradicted some of the novels I have read and I liked the books history of Fett better. It does not mean that the book is necessarily incompatable with the movie, but it does raise the question of the rest of Boba Fett's upbringing. (He appeared to be about 8-10 in the movie). I liked: the Yoda sword play. The Kenobi character. Too bad didn't get more lines. Count Dooku. Jango fett scenes. The manipulation of events/people by Palpatine. Jar jar gets to have a role in the downfall of the Republic. Kind of fitting in a way. The scenes of the Naboo retreat. (I saw a special on Northern Italy a week before seeing ST:AOTC so it was nice to see and recognize Lake Como in the Film) The Musical score and special effects These are just some of my impressions of the film. Again overall I liked it, but there were certain areas that I found vexing. As a side note One comment about Star Wars that I found funny. In SW:TPM it is stated that Anakin is too old for training, but ST: original trilogy it is ok to train Luke when he is about 18-20yrs old Sincerely, Anthony __________________ Sincerely, Anthony 'Many are my names in many countries,' he said. 'Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Drarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf; to the East I go not.' Faramir What nobler employment, or more valuable to the state, than that of the man who instructs the rising generation? Cicero (106BC-43BC) Last edited by mithrand1r : 06-19-2002 at 01:13 AM.

06-18-2002, 03:20 PM	#51
mrcool Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: VA Posts: 15	good it was...bad it wasn't... __________________ Mooses R COOL!! I Am MaG! MOosES AnD GAnDaLFS!!! -don't ask...

06-19-2002, 06:14 AM	#52
elendili Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: a galaxy far far away (aka Manchester) Posts: 320	I thought that the start was a bit slow but ince it got going it was a good film I especially liked the arena scene with all the jedi in it. The romantic scenes were tiresome but i guess they were necessary 4 the whole luke and leia kids to exist. I couldn't stop laughing when Joda was fighting Dooku it was so funny the way he walked in hobbling and ended up doing somersaults in the air with a lightsaber. Obi-wan was funny especially his little one liners all together I thought it ws much better than the phantom menace although it would have been better with more sith jedi fights. __________________ Dovie'andi se tovya sagain "Courage my soul, now learn to wield The weight of thine immortal shield Place on thy head thy helmet bright Ballance thy sword against the fight See where an army strong as fair With silken banners spreads the air Now if thy bee'st that thing divine In this days combat let it shine: And shew that nature wants an art To conqeur one resolved heart" Andrew Marvell

06-19-2002, 06:43 PM	#53
Rei Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hades....it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it Posts: 182	I don't know if I liked it.... The whole forbidden romance just killed the movie, especially since Natalie Portman and Hayden Christiansen (?) had absolitely no chemestry. And when they're getting taken into the big fight scene and she's like "I die a little more each day.." talk about a mood killer, a battle field is no place for romance. A lot of the dialouge was very cheesy, and when C-3PO's head was getting dragged around and he had the line "this is a drag" it became down right horrible. But Yoda's fight scene rocked and it was a whole lot better than the Phantom Menace. (That little kid that played Anakin bothered me) I really think that Obi-Wan should have been given more lines, he's probably the best actor after Christopher Lee, that the movie had in it. It looks like my Favorite Star Wars episode is still The Empire Strikes back! __________________ ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Seek for the Sword that was broken: In Imladris it dwells; There shall be counsels taken Stronger than Morgul-spells. There shall be shown a token That doom is near at hand For Isildur's Bane shall waken, And the Halfling forth shall stand. ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Whoo-hooo!!! I'm an Elven Warrior!!!!!

06-19-2002, 11:08 PM	#60
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Nah. He's just delusional... Must be all those multiple personalities, eh? evil look __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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