What's your favorite non-human race in LOTR? - Page 15

Pimpernel · 03-12-2003, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
If I remember correctly, Tolkien said in the Letters that if Smeagol hadn't such a mean thieving sort before he found the Ring, it wouldn't have affected him nearly so much.

yah, i thinkies i read that too, but all hobbits have (or had at one point) some good stuff in em. like smeagol vs gollum even tho gollum won. and lobelia sackville -baggins wasnt the nicest hobbit in the shire, but she had good in her too! what woulda happened to her if she got the precious?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-12-2003, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Pimpernel
yah, i thinkies i read that too, but all hobbits have (or had at one point) some good stuff in em. like smeagol vs gollum even tho gollum won. and lobelia sackville -baggins wasnt the nicest hobbit in the shire, but she had good in her too! what woulda happened to her if she got the precious?

Smeagol was always a bad pill to swallow: "GOLLUM" Hehe! The thing was with the Ring is that it influenced the bearer and I would say that if a character was already evil, or not good, the Ring made it moreso. Depending on the person's strength of will for good or bad is how the Ring effected them. I also wonder how much innocense played a part. That is when I think of Sam. Although he only bore the Ring for a short time, he was effected very little.

Pimpernel · 03-12-2003, 11:11 PM

even so sister golden hair, i still pity smeagol, esp. since he died in the end...he wasnt that horrible and having been proved wrong (not that its a rare occurence, my friends prove me wrong all the time

), i still like smeagol! so kazoo poo on those who try to sway me!!!
haha!!! i love that ! kazoo poo!
sorra if i offended anyone by sendin them kazoo poo...

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-12-2003, 11:17 PM

Well, hear we must always remember the words of Gandalf to Frodo. Smeagol was a sad creature, and Frodo said "Pity that Bilbo did not stab the vile creature when he had the chance" Ganalf said: "Pity it was that stayed Bilbo's hand."

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-12-2003, 11:22 PM

Yes indeed, Gollum is a pitiable creature. I always wonder at people who talk about his inner turmoil as being funny...

Gamigar · 03-14-2003, 10:21 PM

I find myself torn between Hobbits, Elves, and the Valar

03-12-2003, 11:11 PM	#283
Pimpernel Enting Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: small town in NY...not where I wanna be.. Posts: 57	even so sister golden hair, i still pity smeagol, esp. since he died in the end...he wasnt that horrible and having been proved wrong (not that its a rare occurence, my friends prove me wrong all the time ), i still like smeagol! so kazoo poo on those who try to sway me!!! haha!!! i love that ! kazoo poo! sorra if i offended anyone by sendin them kazoo poo... __________________ And this is what I have said, so you shall shut up if you are opposed for I am Iluvatar and you must obey me..for I know all that is, was, and will be and you don't!! HAH just kidding, I only wish I was Eru...power is good..except I would get corrupted so know...and why am I writing all of this randomness that's popping into my head that you don't give a rat's tail about.....??

03-12-2003, 11:17 PM	#284
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Well, hear we must always remember the words of Gandalf to Frodo. Smeagol was a sad creature, and Frodo said "Pity that Bilbo did not stab the vile creature when he had the chance" Ganalf said: "Pity it was that stayed Bilbo's hand." __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-12-2003, 11:22 PM	#285
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Yes indeed, Gollum is a pitiable creature. I always wonder at people who talk about his inner turmoil as being funny... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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