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Gwaimir Windgem · 03-31-2003, 03:19 AM

It wasn't originally meant to be part of his mythology; he just "borrowed" parts from it.

Lizra · 03-31-2003, 10:11 AM

Hmmmm, I prefer to think of it as "one of" the mythologies!

Dunadan · 03-31-2003, 10:20 AM

In some ways, The Hobbit is a better book than LOTR. Let's not argue about that here though. But I don't see why it matters that it was written as a children's book.

I too like the ravens. Old Carc is cool, especially how he's described as having a baldy heid.

Funny how in LOTR the birds are mostly portrayed as spies and servants of the enemy. Apart from the ubiquitous eagles, all we get for the good guys is some vague reference to Radagast's messengers (though that did lead to Gandalf being rescued from Orthanc).

cheers

d.

Lizra · 03-31-2003, 10:32 AM

Yes, don't "dis" The Hobbit!

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-31-2003, 11:20 AM

I wasn't. I was just saying that in some ways, it's not necessarily a very good source for information about Tolkien's world.

***Fat middle*** · 03-31-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Yes, the Goblins certainly understood them.

But always keep in mind; the Hobbit was written as a children's book.

i don't thing that's a good way to analyze The Hobbit, GW.

when reading TH i always keep in mind that it was written by Bilbo and yep, perhaps to be told to the young hobbits, because the mature ones were rather dissapointing...

i think that JRRT showed his mastery in that he create a world begining with the sources. he liked to tell the same story from different points of view, and that gives to his work a rare grade of reality (sub-reality). The hobbit and LOTR are perfectly consistent if you keep in mind who and for whom wrote the books.

BTW, of course there are also talking animals in LOTR: the fox of the Shire.

Elf Girl · 03-31-2003, 07:26 PM

I remember that fox. I believe it was only thinking, not talking, however.

gimli7410 · 04-02-2003, 11:52 PM

yay thrush

Lizra · 04-02-2003, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fat middle
i don't thing that's a good way to analyze The Hobbit, GW.

when reading TH i always keep in mind that it was written by Bilbo and yep, perhaps to be told to the young hobbits, because the mature ones were rather dissapointing...

i think that JRRT showed his mastery in that he create a world begining with the sources. he liked to tell the same story from different points of view, and that gives to his work a rare grade of reality (sub-reality). The hobbit and LOTR are perfectly consistent if you keep in mind who and for whom wrote the books.

BTW, of course there are also talking animals in LOTR: the fox of the Shire.

I like that! Different perspectives from different times, and people. A fantastic touch of realism! So perfect!

03-31-2003, 03:19 AM	#21
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	It wasn't originally meant to be part of his mythology; he just "borrowed" parts from it. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-31-2003, 10:11 AM	#22
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Hmmmm, I prefer to think of it as "one of" the mythologies! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

03-31-2003, 10:32 AM	#24
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Yes, don't "dis" The Hobbit! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

03-31-2003, 11:20 AM	#25
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I wasn't. I was just saying that in some ways, it's not necessarily a very good source for information about Tolkien's world. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-31-2003, 07:26 PM	#27
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I remember that fox. I believe it was only thinking, not talking, however. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-31-2003, 10:20 AM	#23
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	In some ways, The Hobbit is a better book than LOTR. Let's not argue about that here though. But I don't see why it matters that it was written as a children's book. I too like the ravens. Old Carc is cool, especially how he's described as having a baldy heid. Funny how in LOTR the birds are mostly portrayed as spies and servants of the enemy. Apart from the ubiquitous eagles, all we get for the good guys is some vague reference to Radagast's messengers (though that did lead to Gandalf being rescued from Orthanc). cheers d.

04-02-2003, 11:52 PM	#28
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	yay thrush __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

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