Let's hear it for the thrush!

Dunadan · 03-28-2003, 10:48 AM

The thrush doesn't get the credit it deserves.

If it wasn't for the thrush, Bard wouldn't have known where to aim for, Smaug wouldn't have been killed, Bilbo would've been devoured, the Ring would've passed to Smaug, and Middle-Earth would've been plunged into eternal darkness.

Just a thought.

cheers

d.

***azalea*** · 03-28-2003, 03:09 PM

Plus they wouldn't have known when to use the key. How did the mapmaker know the thrush would be knocking when that happened?

BeardofPants · 03-28-2003, 03:46 PM

Oh god, I thought you were cheering on thrush of a differrent sort for a moment there.

*goes off to make coffee*

Jadera · 03-28-2003, 05:04 PM

Yeah, that's what I was thinking...

I didn't remember that part of the story.

Hasty Ent · 03-28-2003, 05:26 PM

Gosh, it's been a long time since I read the Hobbit, but doesn't a raven play a part in addition to the thrush? As I recall, there is a scene where a raven is intently listening to the dwarves' conversation, and then abruptly flies off. One of the company throws something or almost throws something at it, but is stopped by another member with more wisdom.

Or maybe I'm thinking of LoTR....

The senior moments are occurring more frequently!

Lizra · 03-28-2003, 06:53 PM

The raven of Erebor, old Carc (and his wife) lived on Ravenhill, on the mountain when Balin and Thorin were young. The ravens and dwarves were friends and the ravens spyed for the dwarves. The dwarves rewarded them bright shiny things.

So, the wonderful thrush listened as Bilbo and Balin talked about the ravens of the old days, then he flew off, and brought old Roac (son of old Carc) to "speak" with Balin and Thorin. Roac told the dwarves that Smaug was dead, and that the elves and lakemen were thinking they deserved some of the spoils of the dragon plunder. He told them not to trust the master of the Lake men, but to listen to Bard instead. Then Thorin asked Roac to go to Dain and give the message that his army was needed. Good birds!

Hasty Ent · 03-28-2003, 08:07 PM

Thanks Lizra! It's comforting to know that I have a few brain cells still functioning and my memory of a raven in the Hobbit wasn't the result of a misspent youth.

Coney · 03-28-2003, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Oh god, I thought you were cheering on thrush of a differrent sort for a moment there. *goes off to make coffee*

Yup

psst....canesten combi or natural yoghurt works

I luv the thrush in The Hobbit.....pity the bloody starlings have chased most of them away here

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-28-2003, 10:41 PM

Hmm...I seem to be a bit in the dark here...

Coney · 03-28-2003, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Hmm...I seem to be a bit in the dark here...

Starlings are more aggresive.........a bit like the feathered equivalent of Orcs

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-28-2003, 10:49 PM

I meant about the other "thrush".

Coney · 03-28-2003, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I meant about the other "thrush".

ah well, that is OT......but sometimes not all songbirds sing so sweetly (don't worry you'll find out as soon as yer married

)

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-28-2003, 10:57 PM

Well, THAT's enlightening.

Dunadan · 03-29-2003, 07:12 AM

So shall we have a clap for the thrush? I believe the bird's family name was candida

We've got a thrush who sings every evening in the neighbours' garden. It's so beautiful, I could listen to it all day. Well, maybe not all day, but you can't beat it with a G&T after a stressful week.

Lizra · 03-29-2003, 10:25 AM

All this Thrush talk makes me itchy! Can anyone name some other animals that could "speak" with people? Not the "normal" telecommunication that occured between wizards or elves and animals, but actual speaking? I think of the wolves in the Hobbit, "speaking" a language that Gandalf (and the goblins?) understood. Were their any other "special" creatures that could talk?

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-30-2003, 02:23 AM

Those were Wargs, not wolves; entirely different creatures, I think.

***azalea*** · 03-30-2003, 04:30 PM

Well, of course there were the eagles. And Beorn could speak bear I'm sure. Can't think of any others right now.

Lizra · 03-30-2003, 04:43 PM

.......But even the Wild Wargs (for so the evil wolves over the Edge of the Wild were named) cannot climb trees.......

....In the middle of the circle was a great grey wolf. He spoke to them in the dreadful language of the Wargs. Gandalf understood it. Bilbo did not, but it sounded terrible to him, and as if all their talk was about cruel and wicked things, as it was....

In "Out of the Frying-Pan Into the Fire", Wolves and wargs seem to refer to the same creatures. Also, goblins must understand them, since the wolves help the goblins plan and execute raids, and share the plunder...

Yes, the eagles!

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-31-2003, 12:26 AM

Yes, the Goblins certainly understood them.

But always keep in mind; the Hobbit was written as a children's book.

Lizra · 03-31-2003, 01:21 AM

So......

03-28-2003, 10:48 AM	#1
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Let's hear it for the thrush! The thrush doesn't get the credit it deserves. If it wasn't for the thrush, Bard wouldn't have known where to aim for, Smaug wouldn't have been killed, Bilbo would've been devoured, the Ring would've passed to Smaug, and Middle-Earth would've been plunged into eternal darkness. Just a thought. cheers d.

03-28-2003, 03:46 PM	#3
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Oh god, I thought you were cheering on thrush of a differrent sort for a moment there. goes off to make coffee __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

03-28-2003, 05:04 PM	#4
Jadera Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 205	Yeah, that's what I was thinking... I didn't remember that part of the story. __________________ Whaaaaaaaaaat?? ~Chivalry isn't dead, it just transferred to women~

03-28-2003, 05:26 PM	#5
Hasty Ent Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 516	Gosh, it's been a long time since I read the Hobbit, but doesn't a raven play a part in addition to the thrush? As I recall, there is a scene where a raven is intently listening to the dwarves' conversation, and then abruptly flies off. One of the company throws something or almost throws something at it, but is stopped by another member with more wisdom. Or maybe I'm thinking of LoTR.... The senior moments are occurring more frequently! __________________ Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) Last edited by Hasty Ent : 03-28-2003 at 05:31 PM.

03-28-2003, 06:53 PM	#6
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	The raven of Erebor, old Carc (and his wife) lived on Ravenhill, on the mountain when Balin and Thorin were young. The ravens and dwarves were friends and the ravens spyed for the dwarves. The dwarves rewarded them bright shiny things. So, the wonderful thrush listened as Bilbo and Balin talked about the ravens of the old days, then he flew off, and brought old Roac (son of old Carc) to "speak" with Balin and Thorin. Roac told the dwarves that Smaug was dead, and that the elves and lakemen were thinking they deserved some of the spoils of the dragon plunder. He told them not to trust the master of the Lake men, but to listen to Bard instead. Then Thorin asked Roac to go to Dain and give the message that his army was needed. Good birds! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

03-28-2003, 03:09 PM	#2
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Plus they wouldn't have known when to use the key. How did the mapmaker know the thrush would be knocking when that happened?

03-28-2003, 08:07 PM	#7
Hasty Ent Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 516	Thanks Lizra! It's comforting to know that I have a few brain cells still functioning and my memory of a raven in the Hobbit wasn't the result of a misspent youth. __________________ Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

03-28-2003, 10:41 PM	#9
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Hmm...I seem to be a bit in the dark here... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-28-2003, 10:49 PM	#11
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I meant about the other "thrush". __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-28-2003, 10:57 PM	#13
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Well, THAT's enlightening. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-29-2003, 07:12 AM	#14
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	So shall we have a clap for the thrush? I believe the bird's family name was candida We've got a thrush who sings every evening in the neighbours' garden. It's so beautiful, I could listen to it all day. Well, maybe not all day, but you can't beat it with a G&T after a stressful week.

03-29-2003, 10:25 AM	#15
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	All this Thrush talk makes me itchy! Can anyone name some other animals that could "speak" with people? Not the "normal" telecommunication that occured between wizards or elves and animals, but actual speaking? I think of the wolves in the Hobbit, "speaking" a language that Gandalf (and the goblins?) understood. Were their any other "special" creatures that could talk? __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

03-30-2003, 02:23 AM	#16
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Those were Wargs, not wolves; entirely different creatures, I think. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-30-2003, 04:30 PM	#17
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Well, of course there were the eagles. And Beorn could speak bear I'm sure. Can't think of any others right now.

03-30-2003, 04:43 PM	#18
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	.......But even the Wild Wargs (for so the evil wolves over the Edge of the Wild were named) cannot climb trees....... ....In the middle of the circle was a great grey wolf. He spoke to them in the dreadful language of the Wargs. Gandalf understood it. Bilbo did not, but it sounded terrible to him, and as if all their talk was about cruel and wicked things, as it was.... In "Out of the Frying-Pan Into the Fire", Wolves and wargs seem to refer to the same creatures. Also, goblins must understand them, since the wolves help the goblins plan and execute raids, and share the plunder... Yes, the eagles! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats! Last edited by Lizra : 03-30-2003 at 04:44 PM.

03-31-2003, 12:26 AM	#19
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Yes, the Goblins certainly understood them. But always keep in mind; the Hobbit was written as a children's book. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-31-2003, 01:21 AM	#20
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	So...... __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

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