Origin of hobbits?

09-12-2000, 11:28 PM

Since ents and men were the 2 original first races, where did the hobbits come from? Are they their own species or a mixed breed?

L@ur@y Elven Warrior · 02-25-2003, 02:29 PM

Sorry I can't help you

Laurus Nobilis · 02-25-2003, 02:48 PM

Tolkien said that hobbits are a sub-species of humans or something of the like. I can't remember where I've read it, though- I *think* it was in the Letters.

You probably can find the actual quote in an online Tolkien FAQ, though.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-25-2003, 02:57 PM

Laurus Nobilis is correct. Hobbits are a sub-race of Men.

Moving to the Hobbit forum.

gimli7410 · 02-25-2003, 09:20 PM

i just read that in the appendixes but i cant remember it so check the appendixes of the books in the back

Beleg Strongbow · 02-26-2003, 09:31 AM

What does this have to do with the book: The Hobbit? This should be in the Middle Earth forum because it's not about the book, but the race.

Lord Manafirogh · 02-26-2003, 04:06 PM

Who created them?
One of the valar?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-26-2003, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beleg Strongbow
What does this have to do with the book: The Hobbit? This should be in the Middle Earth forum because it's not about the book, but the race.

I think it fits better in the Hobbit forum.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-26-2003, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Manafirogh
Who created them?
One of the valar?

Hobbits were a sub-race of Men. Men were created by Iluvatar. As far as I know, the Valar were not capable of creation.

Lord Manafirogh · 02-26-2003, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Hobbits were a sub-race of Men. Men were created by Iluvatar. As far as I know, the Valar were not capable of creation.

I though aule created the dwarfs. I think one of the valar created the hobbits but they didn't have the power so they came out small.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-26-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Manafirogh
I though aule created the dwarfs. I think one of the valar created the hobbits but they didn't have the power so they came out small.

Aule did create the dwarves, and that was a no no. They were not of free will though until Iluvatar gave them life. He then placed them in a deep slumber until the coming of his children.

Lord Manafirogh · 02-28-2003, 03:02 PM

yeah thats my point the can create people but they need promition from illuvatar. Hobbits just came out of no where.

Alquagarwaen · 03-06-2003, 07:29 PM

The firsts that awake were the elves, and they awake to the ents,
then, lot of time later, the men awake in Numenore.
About hobbits is nothing about`em in LOTR, the Silmarillion, or Unfinished Tales, but they awake in the 3rd age, after the first war against Sauron.That is all what I know about their creation.

Respectfully...
Alquagarwaen.
"Barûk Khazad! Khazad aimênu!!"

cian · 04-08-2003, 08:07 AM

'The beginning of Hobbits lies far back in the Elder Days that are now lost and forgotten. Only the Elves still preserve any records of that vanished time ... (...) ... Yet it is clear that Hobbits had, in fact, lived quietly in Middle-earth for many long years before other folk even became aware of them.' ~JRRT FOTR

And:

'It is plain indeed that in spite of later estrangement Hobbits are relatives of ours (...) but what exactly our relationhip is can no longer be discovered.' ~JRRT FOTR

In Tolkien's letters he states things more plainly: that Hobbits were a diminutive branch of the human race.

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09-12-2000, 11:28 PM	#1
Elyse610 Guest Posts: n/a	Origin of hobbits? Since ents and men were the 2 original first races, where did the hobbits come from? Are they their own species or a mixed breed?

02-25-2003, 02:29 PM	#2
L@ur@y Elven Warrior Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Halkirk Posts: 208	Sorry I can't help you __________________ Ni melme legolas

02-25-2003, 02:48 PM	#3
Laurus Nobilis Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 73	Tolkien said that hobbits are a sub-species of humans or something of the like. I can't remember where I've read it, though- I think it was in the Letters. You probably can find the actual quote in an online Tolkien FAQ, though. __________________ "...So the essential Quest started at once. But I met a lot of things on the way that astonished me. Tom Bombadil I knew already; but I had never been to Bree. Strider sitting in the corner at the inn was a shock, and I had no more idea who he was than had Frodo. The Mines of Moria had been a mere name; and of Lothlórien no word had reached my mortal ears till I came there. Far away I knew there were the Horse-lords on the confines of an ancient Kingdom of Men, but Fangorn Forest was an unforeseen adventure." ~ J. R. R. Tolkien

02-25-2003, 02:57 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Laurus Nobilis is correct. Hobbits are a sub-race of Men. Moving to the Hobbit forum. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

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02-26-2003, 09:31 AM	#6
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	What does this have to do with the book: The Hobbit? This should be in the Middle Earth forum because it's not about the book, but the race. __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

02-26-2003, 04:06 PM	#7
Lord Manafirogh Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London Posts: 187	Who created them? One of the valar?

02-28-2003, 03:02 PM	#12
Lord Manafirogh Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London Posts: 187	yeah thats my point the can create people but they need promition from illuvatar. Hobbits just came out of no where.

03-06-2003, 07:29 PM	#13
Alquagarwaen Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	the firsts races The firsts that awake were the elves, and they awake to the ents, then, lot of time later, the men awake in Numenore. About hobbits is nothing about`em in LOTR, the Silmarillion, or Unfinished Tales, but they awake in the 3rd age, after the first war against Sauron.That is all what I know about their creation. Respectfully... Alquagarwaen. "Barûk Khazad! Khazad aimênu!!"

04-08-2003, 08:07 AM	#14
cian Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 78	'The beginning of Hobbits lies far back in the Elder Days that are now lost and forgotten. Only the Elves still preserve any records of that vanished time ... (...) ... Yet it is clear that Hobbits had, in fact, lived quietly in Middle-earth for many long years before other folk even became aware of them.' ~JRRT FOTR And: 'It is plain indeed that in spite of later estrangement Hobbits are relatives of ours (...) but what exactly our relationhip is can no longer be discovered.' ~JRRT FOTR In Tolkien's letters he states things more plainly: that Hobbits were a diminutive branch of the human race. ¤ Last edited by cian : 04-08-2003 at 08:15 AM.

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