Christopher mad about musical

Melko Belcha · 06-01-2003, 07:49 PM

Taken from theonering.net

The family of Lord Of The Rings author JRR Tolkien is furious that a London musical based on the books is being staged. Son Christopher Tolkien also is said to be deeply unhappy that his father's masterpiece has been adapted into an acclaimed film trilogy directed by Peter Jackson. And now the three-hour musical is enraged him even further. A pal says, "He's catatonic over the success of the film and thinks all popular entertainment is unutterably low."

Coney · 06-01-2003, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Melko Belcha
Taken from theonering.net

The family of Lord Of The Rings author JRR Tolkien is furious that a London musical based on the books is being staged. Son Christopher Tolkien also is said to be deeply unhappy that his father's masterpiece has been adapted into an acclaimed film trilogy directed by Peter Jackson. And now the three-hour musical is enraged him even further. A pal says, "He's catatonic over the success of the film and thinks all popular entertainment is unutterably low."

Then he should have been mad at his father for selling the rights for £10,000 :/

hama1 · 06-02-2003, 12:00 AM

Christopher doesn't seem to mind living like a leech writing mindless books about his father's creation. Chris should be happy that he had a brilliant and subsequently famous father. Without his father no one whould care what he thought about anything.

gimli7410 · 06-02-2003, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Melko Belcha
Taken from theonering.net

The family of Lord Of The Rings author JRR Tolkien is furious that a London musical based on the books is being staged. Son Christopher Tolkien also is said to be deeply unhappy that his father's masterpiece has been adapted into an acclaimed film trilogy directed by Peter Jackson. And now the three-hour musical is enraged him even further. A pal says, "He's catatonic over the success of the film and thinks all popular entertainment is unutterably low."

good for him. i hate the idea of a musical and now that im rereading the books i am able to wait for ROTK. persoanlly i think they are good movies but they dont stick to the books but the idea of a musical is ridiculous. it humiliates the books

Sheeana · 06-02-2003, 03:49 AM

Hmm. I wonder just how close this "pal" is to him. Last I checked, Christopher was pretty close-mouthed about the movies, and I don't reckon that would change anytime soon.

hama1 · 06-02-2003, 10:06 PM

How is the idea of a musical ridiculous? How does it "humiliate" the books. There are over 100 pages of lyrics in LotR alone and the idea of music in Tolkien's world pervades much of the Simarillion. Tolkien seemed more than a bit interested in music as it relates to his creation. Perhaps the production team of the musical won't have the hubris of Peter Jackson and think they can write a better story than Tolkien did. After seeing the Two Towers I am still waiting for a movie based on the work of JRR Tolkien. You attack a project as ridiculous and humiliating before you have read a single word of the script or watched a single scene.

gimli7410 · 06-02-2003, 10:16 PM

whoah!! jeez i have my opions you have yours.

hama1 · 06-02-2003, 10:17 PM

whoa...yes...but my opinions seem to be based on facts...

gimli7410 · 06-02-2003, 10:19 PM

i think of the characters dancing and singing is stupid. if you could provide some pictures you have seen i will gladly look at them

hama1 · 06-02-2003, 10:22 PM

Who said any characters were going to dance? Les Miserbles is a great musical and no one danced...As you reread the books as you said you are doing why not note how many times lyrics appear...well someone has to be singing them...Of course you may have a better idea of what middle earth should look and sound like than Tolkien did.

gimli7410 · 06-02-2003, 10:24 PM

well whatever im just gonna leave it at this but if you have pics i will gladly look at them

hama1 · 06-02-2003, 10:35 PM

gimli, I will cut you some slack as you admit you are canadian...I am still curious about your reference to pics...Pics of what...I was going to write out a list of the great contributions of canada to culture and classic literature but someone in my office ran out of post-it notes and asked to borrow mine.

gimli7410 · 06-02-2003, 10:40 PM

i was just wondering if tyou had any links to a site about it which has pic of it

Lady of Rohan · 06-03-2003, 07:38 AM

Just becasue he's Canadian what does that have to do with anything?

I think the muical is a great idea. I can see why Chris Tolkien is mad about it, but he has probably not read the script or seen anything yet either (but I am just guessing about that, I am not sure). I think the musical will be good, because all of the fantastic songs/poems that Tolkien wrote will be incorporated into it, unlike the movies.

Ragnarok · 06-07-2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by hama1
gimli, I will cut you some slack as you admit you are canadian...

That was not funny and it was irrelevant.

hama1 · 06-08-2003, 02:38 AM

Ragnarok,

On a forum, nothing posted in 36 pica type is irrelevant. LOL...

Ragnarok · 06-08-2003, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hama1
Ragnarok,

On a forum, nothing posted in 36 pica type is irrelevant. LOL...

Ok you told him you'd cut him slack because hes canadian. Not only is that stupid and not funny, it has nothing to do with what he said in his previous post.

Galenavar · 06-08-2003, 10:09 PM

It had something to do with his sig. He insulted hama, and hama replied with a joke that would be insulting if not taken the right way. The point is, gimli7410 was a little rude, hama replied with a joke, and if you didn't think it was funny...oh well. I caught the humor in it. >shrug<

gimli7410 · 06-08-2003, 11:42 PM

god damn americans always makin fun of canadians

and thank you ragnarok

hama1 · 06-09-2003, 12:52 AM

Galvenar, thank you...at least someone here shares my sense of humor...to all others, yes I was a bit insulted to have someone say that the idea of a musical was ridiculous and "humiliates" the books without backing that statement up. I spent two years writing a musical based on LotR. I may just be a god damn american but I think and have always thought LotR was a musical. Someone just had to adapt it to the stage... BTW...does anyone know if the last great canadian theater empresario, Garth Drabinsky is out of jail yet?

06-01-2003, 07:49 PM	#1
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	Christopher mad about musical Taken from theonering.net The family of Lord Of The Rings author JRR Tolkien is furious that a London musical based on the books is being staged. Son Christopher Tolkien also is said to be deeply unhappy that his father's masterpiece has been adapted into an acclaimed film trilogy directed by Peter Jackson. And now the three-hour musical is enraged him even further. A pal says, "He's catatonic over the success of the film and thinks all popular entertainment is unutterably low." __________________ "....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5)

06-02-2003, 10:16 PM	#7
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	whoah!! jeez i have my opions you have yours. __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

06-02-2003, 10:19 PM	#9
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i think of the characters dancing and singing is stupid. if you could provide some pictures you have seen i will gladly look at them __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

06-02-2003, 10:24 PM	#11
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	well whatever im just gonna leave it at this but if you have pics i will gladly look at them __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

06-02-2003, 10:40 PM	#13
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i was just wondering if tyou had any links to a site about it which has pic of it __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

06-02-2003, 12:00 AM	#3
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Christopher doesn't seem to mind living like a leech writing mindless books about his father's creation. Chris should be happy that he had a brilliant and subsequently famous father. Without his father no one whould care what he thought about anything.

06-02-2003, 03:49 AM	#5
Sheeana Lord of the Pants Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,382	Hmm. I wonder just how close this "pal" is to him. Last I checked, Christopher was pretty close-mouthed about the movies, and I don't reckon that would change anytime soon.

06-02-2003, 10:06 PM	#6
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	How is the idea of a musical ridiculous? How does it "humiliate" the books. There are over 100 pages of lyrics in LotR alone and the idea of music in Tolkien's world pervades much of the Simarillion. Tolkien seemed more than a bit interested in music as it relates to his creation. Perhaps the production team of the musical won't have the hubris of Peter Jackson and think they can write a better story than Tolkien did. After seeing the Two Towers I am still waiting for a movie based on the work of JRR Tolkien. You attack a project as ridiculous and humiliating before you have read a single word of the script or watched a single scene.

06-02-2003, 10:17 PM	#8
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	whoa...yes...but my opinions seem to be based on facts...

06-02-2003, 10:22 PM	#10
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Who said any characters were going to dance? Les Miserbles is a great musical and no one danced...As you reread the books as you said you are doing why not note how many times lyrics appear...well someone has to be singing them...Of course you may have a better idea of what middle earth should look and sound like than Tolkien did.

06-02-2003, 10:35 PM	#12
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	gimli, I will cut you some slack as you admit you are canadian...I am still curious about your reference to pics...Pics of what...I was going to write out a list of the great contributions of canada to culture and classic literature but someone in my office ran out of post-it notes and asked to borrow mine.

06-03-2003, 07:38 AM	#14
Lady of Rohan Doughy Elf Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,006	Just becasue he's Canadian what does that have to do with anything? I think the muical is a great idea. I can see why Chris Tolkien is mad about it, but he has probably not read the script or seen anything yet either (but I am just guessing about that, I am not sure). I think the musical will be good, because all of the fantastic songs/poems that Tolkien wrote will be incorporated into it, unlike the movies.

06-08-2003, 02:38 AM	#16
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Ragnarok, On a forum, nothing posted in 36 pica type is irrelevant. LOL...

06-08-2003, 10:09 PM	#18
Galenavar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: WI Posts: 129	It had something to do with his sig. He insulted hama, and hama replied with a joke that would be insulting if not taken the right way. The point is, gimli7410 was a little rude, hama replied with a joke, and if you didn't think it was funny...oh well. I caught the humor in it. >shrug< __________________ Galenavar Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo If there's no magic, there's no meaning.

06-08-2003, 11:42 PM	#19
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	god damn americans always makin fun of canadians and thank you ragnarok __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

06-09-2003, 12:52 AM	#20
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Galvenar, thank you...at least someone here shares my sense of humor...to all others, yes I was a bit insulted to have someone say that the idea of a musical was ridiculous and "humiliates" the books without backing that statement up. I spent two years writing a musical based on LotR. I may just be a god damn american but I think and have always thought LotR was a musical. Someone just had to adapt it to the stage... BTW...does anyone know if the last great canadian theater empresario, Garth Drabinsky is out of jail yet?

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