A musical will ruin the story!

RockerChik106 · 12-27-2002, 06:16 PM

Hi, I'm a newbie here and I think that a musical would just ruin the story! Why?

I cannot picture ANY of the characters singing AND dancing! Its terrible! Thats just my opinion and sorry if you think it its a wonderful idea.

hama1 · 12-28-2002, 02:45 AM

I can't see any of the characters dancing either...that is why I haven't written any music for dance or planned on any choreography. As for not being able to envision any of the characters singing my only question is..."Have you read any of the books?" Sorry that was kind of mean but there are over 150 pages of lyrics in LOTR. Somebody must be singing them!

Taulëasawen · 12-28-2002, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hama1
As for not being able to envision any of the characters singing my only question is..."Have you read any of the books?" Sorry that was kind of mean but there are over 150 pages of lyrics in LOTR. Somebody must be singing them!

I think she meant Broadway-type singing......right?

RockerChik106 · 12-28-2002, 11:53 AM

I wasn't really thinking when I put singing up there, but I mean musical-like singing......but I really wasn't thinking.

hama1 · 12-29-2002, 02:04 AM

Well your post does say "singing AND dancing." Perhaps what you can't envision is exactly that and since there is no dancing no one will be singing AND dancing. However, if what you meant was singing OR dancing well that leads to the question of what you mean by musical-like singing. As there are hundreds of different styles of music written for the stage any of a number of types would be innapropriate for a musical such as the One Ring and any number of types might be innapropriate for a character such as Aragorn but perfectly appropriate for a character such as Sam.

Songs in a musical...or at least a well written musical are the logical consequence of a scene. When the power of the emotion or the importance of what a character is trying to communicate cannot be adequately communicated by spoken word the character sings. I would direct you to the lyrics page here at the sight and look at Aragorn's One More Tommorrow, Eowyn's With His Words or even Sam and Frodo's final duet as examples. I think they are entirely within character.

No one thought a musical about a convict in pre-revolutionary France would work. Les Miserables is closing after 13 years on Broadway.

IluvSmeagol13 · 01-19-2003, 02:17 PM

omg-is lesmiz really closing????when?

IluvSmeagol13 · 01-19-2003, 03:40 PM

i luv lesmiz*

hama1 · 01-21-2003, 12:05 AM

Les Miz is closing in March. About 8 weeks from now I think. They are already doing High School productions of it. Apparently it is a somewhat scaled down "script" from the original.

Beleg Strongbow · 01-22-2003, 02:26 PM

I think that a musical would be geared more towards making money than the books, but it wouldn't ruin the story.

By the way, this is the 600th post in discussion of the musical!

It's really grown!

hama1 · 01-24-2003, 12:51 AM

Well it certainly was my intention to make money on this project. Considering the time and energy I have put into it, that would seem only fair.

Hmmm....600th post! Can 1,000 be far away?

Agburanar · 01-31-2003, 10:40 AM

The age of the musicals may well and truly be over.

Starlight Express has closed

Cats has closed

Les Mis is closing

Phantom of the opera is closing

And what new stuff do we get? Bombay Dreams?????

Please, Hama, bring on the One Ring musical and let's have something good out there again!

hama1 · 02-13-2003, 12:56 AM

Agburanur,

I really need to get back to NYC and get the demo recording done...if only to have some audio files accessible here...I think that would add some real excitement to the site....and of counrse I need that to shop this thing to producers...

Brad

Edro · 02-21-2003, 06:17 PM

having a LOTR musical is a really really sick idea

hama1 · 02-22-2003, 02:05 AM

I am torn as to whether or not I should dignify that post with a reply....hmmmm?????

Not.

Aralyn · 02-23-2003, 05:40 PM

I wish you luck with your musical but I probably won't go and see it. Don't take offense but like I've said before. For Middle earth to seem real to me I have to keep this image of it. A musical would kind of ruin it for me. But Luck anyhow.

Galenavar · 04-09-2003, 10:08 PM

Aralyn, did you see the movie? Did you like it? Just curious. I have this picture in my head as well, but I loved the movie and seeing someone else's picture of Middle Earth. I was wondering if you had liked it too.

Aralyn · 04-10-2003, 10:36 PM

Okay it's like forever since you asked but yeah the movie was good but in case of fire id grab the books first. Pure Tolkien is what I love.

Galenavar · 04-23-2003, 10:41 PM

Well, naturally!

The books are quite often better than the movie, and in a fire I'd grab a book as well. I just enjoy seeing different forms of it is all. I loved the movie and think the musical will bring an interesting twist.

Salquënòrëwen · 06-05-2003, 09:38 PM

I won't neccisarily(sp?) ruin the story....it'll just be a bit...different. I'll definatly see it if I get the chance

gimli7410 · 06-05-2003, 10:31 PM

is hama the one making it

12-27-2002, 06:16 PM	#1
RockerChik106 Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5	A musical will ruin the story! Hi, I'm a newbie here and I think that a musical would just ruin the story! Why? I cannot picture ANY of the characters singing AND dancing! Its terrible! Thats just my opinion and sorry if you think it its a wonderful idea.

01-19-2003, 02:17 PM	#6
IluvSmeagol13 Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	omg-is lesmiz really closing????when? __________________ All that is gold does not glitter... Ai!laurie lantar lassi surinen! ~Got Mitch?~ ^you laugh at me cause i'm different,I laugh at you cause ur all the same^ -Dare to be different- :is this the attack of the clones or what?: _why are you trying so hard 2 fit in when you're born to stand out?_ All you need is love Gandalf:I am a servant of the Secret Fire wielder of the flame of Andor... You CANNOT pass! Balrog:Gandalf... (Pause) Balrog:...I am your father. Gandalf:Gasp!

01-19-2003, 03:40 PM	#7
IluvSmeagol13 Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	i luv lesmiz* __________________ All that is gold does not glitter... Ai!laurie lantar lassi surinen! ~Got Mitch?~ ^you laugh at me cause i'm different,I laugh at you cause ur all the same^ -Dare to be different- :is this the attack of the clones or what?: _why are you trying so hard 2 fit in when you're born to stand out?_ All you need is love Gandalf:I am a servant of the Secret Fire wielder of the flame of Andor... You CANNOT pass! Balrog:Gandalf... (Pause) Balrog:...I am your father. Gandalf:Gasp!

01-22-2003, 02:26 PM	#9
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	I think that a musical would be geared more towards making money than the books, but it wouldn't ruin the story. By the way, this is the 600th post in discussion of the musical! It's really grown! __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

01-31-2003, 10:40 AM	#11
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	The age of the musicals may well and truly be over. Starlight Express has closed Cats has closed Les Mis is closing Phantom of the opera is closing And what new stuff do we get? Bombay Dreams????? Please, Hama, bring on the One Ring musical and let's have something good out there again! __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

12-28-2002, 02:45 AM	#2
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	I can't see any of the characters dancing either...that is why I haven't written any music for dance or planned on any choreography. As for not being able to envision any of the characters singing my only question is..."Have you read any of the books?" Sorry that was kind of mean but there are over 150 pages of lyrics in LOTR. Somebody must be singing them!

12-28-2002, 11:53 AM	#4
RockerChik106 Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5	I wasn't really thinking when I put singing up there, but I mean musical-like singing......but I really wasn't thinking.

12-29-2002, 02:04 AM	#5
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Well your post does say "singing AND dancing." Perhaps what you can't envision is exactly that and since there is no dancing no one will be singing AND dancing. However, if what you meant was singing OR dancing well that leads to the question of what you mean by musical-like singing. As there are hundreds of different styles of music written for the stage any of a number of types would be innapropriate for a musical such as the One Ring and any number of types might be innapropriate for a character such as Aragorn but perfectly appropriate for a character such as Sam. Songs in a musical...or at least a well written musical are the logical consequence of a scene. When the power of the emotion or the importance of what a character is trying to communicate cannot be adequately communicated by spoken word the character sings. I would direct you to the lyrics page here at the sight and look at Aragorn's One More Tommorrow, Eowyn's With His Words or even Sam and Frodo's final duet as examples. I think they are entirely within character. No one thought a musical about a convict in pre-revolutionary France would work. Les Miserables is closing after 13 years on Broadway.

01-21-2003, 12:05 AM	#8
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Les Miz is closing in March. About 8 weeks from now I think. They are already doing High School productions of it. Apparently it is a somewhat scaled down "script" from the original.

01-24-2003, 12:51 AM	#10
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Well it certainly was my intention to make money on this project. Considering the time and energy I have put into it, that would seem only fair. Hmmm....600th post! Can 1,000 be far away?

02-13-2003, 12:56 AM	#12
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Agburanur, I really need to get back to NYC and get the demo recording done...if only to have some audio files accessible here...I think that would add some real excitement to the site....and of counrse I need that to shop this thing to producers... Brad

02-21-2003, 06:17 PM	#13
Edro Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Virginia, USA Posts: 10	having a LOTR musical is a really really sick idea __________________ "Bumper stickers are like little nuggets of truth."

02-22-2003, 02:05 AM	#14
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	I am torn as to whether or not I should dignify that post with a reply....hmmmm????? Not.

02-23-2003, 05:40 PM	#15
Aralyn FloraAzul Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Anywhere as long as there is a library in a one mile radius of here Posts: 751	I wish you luck with your musical but I probably won't go and see it. Don't take offense but like I've said before. For Middle earth to seem real to me I have to keep this image of it. A musical would kind of ruin it for me. But Luck anyhow. __________________ Atheism: A Non-Prophet Organization Yet many shall be amazed when they see Him-yes even far off foreign nations and thier kings; they shall stand dumb-founded, speechless in his prescence. For they shall see and understand what they had not seen before-Isaiah 52:15a Civil War- 498,332 dead WWI-116,708 dead WWII-407,316 dead Korean War-54,246 dead Vietnam War-58,665 dead Persian Gulf-372 dead War on The Unborn=35,000,000 dead and counting

04-09-2003, 10:08 PM	#16
Galenavar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: WI Posts: 129	Aralyn, did you see the movie? Did you like it? Just curious. I have this picture in my head as well, but I loved the movie and seeing someone else's picture of Middle Earth. I was wondering if you had liked it too. __________________ Galenavar Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo If there's no magic, there's no meaning.

04-10-2003, 10:36 PM	#17
Aralyn FloraAzul Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Anywhere as long as there is a library in a one mile radius of here Posts: 751	Okay it's like forever since you asked but yeah the movie was good but in case of fire id grab the books first. Pure Tolkien is what I love. __________________ Atheism: A Non-Prophet Organization Yet many shall be amazed when they see Him-yes even far off foreign nations and thier kings; they shall stand dumb-founded, speechless in his prescence. For they shall see and understand what they had not seen before-Isaiah 52:15a Civil War- 498,332 dead WWI-116,708 dead WWII-407,316 dead Korean War-54,246 dead Vietnam War-58,665 dead Persian Gulf-372 dead War on The Unborn=35,000,000 dead and counting

04-23-2003, 10:41 PM	#18
Galenavar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: WI Posts: 129	Well, naturally! The books are quite often better than the movie, and in a fire I'd grab a book as well. I just enjoy seeing different forms of it is all. I loved the movie and think the musical will bring an interesting twist. __________________ Galenavar Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo If there's no magic, there's no meaning.

06-05-2003, 09:38 PM	#19
Salquënòrëwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 290	I won't neccisarily(sp?) ruin the story....it'll just be a bit...different. I'll definatly see it if I get the chance

06-05-2003, 10:31 PM	#20
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