The Animated Movie - Page 3

surjay · 11-07-2001, 07:37 PM

The animated Hobbit is a great movie! Sure it's a simple movie, but I think it goes along well with the overall mood of the book.

It is by far the most accurate of any of these films, with only a few things left out due to time constraints. At least it didn't blatently change things like the other two movies mentioned in this thread.

It's a fun movie and I think it is enjoyable as such. I don't think it should be looked at for anything more then that.

The songs are great! I have them all downloaded.

"Fifteen birds...........in five fir trees!"

***Tessar*** · 11-10-2001, 01:05 AM

:huggs surjay: thank you.......

Agburanar · 11-28-2001, 10:13 AM

Youwhat? Where can I obtain this film? What is going on? When? How? I'm confused.

What company produced it? It's not Disney is it? Imagine: Disney's 'Short People' (based on 'the hobbit' by JRR tolkien). In comes Bilbo skipping happily and singing with the birds. Suddenly, in an explosion of pink blossoms Gandalf enters... yeuch!

Wayfarer · 11-28-2001, 01:41 PM

My parents decided to get me the Rankin Bass lotr on video for christmas.

*SOB*

Hopefully the movie will be good in the cinema. I couldn't stand two awful viewings so close together.

Agburanar · 11-28-2001, 02:36 PM

oh dear. that's on my list too.

Greg Ferlito · 01-20-2002, 02:37 PM

I've seen both The Hobbit and The lord of the rings animated verisons i thought the hobbit was great the animation was good and the songs spectacular the lord of the rings on the other hand was not so great i didn't like the animation as well as the hobbit the orcs and ringwraiths looked terrible however the blood made it a little better the same company that made the hobbit warner bros. i think made the Return of the King which i haven't seen nor have i seen it anywhere but i would like to

Greg Ferlito · 01-20-2002, 02:44 PM

Does anybody know where i can download the songs from the Hobbit? they're great!

Agburanar · 01-22-2002, 05:29 AM

I thought the animated LotR was sooooooo much better than PJ's film version. Even though I thought the hobbits in the animated version were badly interpreted and Saruman's red robe was an interesting choice, the orcs and ringwraiths were much scarier and aalthough they cut more stuff out they didn't add in pointless pantomime bits (the collapsing stairs in moria [nobody chucks a dwarf???] for example)

mithrand1r · 01-22-2002, 10:31 PM

Of the Three animated movies, the Hobbit is the most accurate followed by LOTR and ROTK.

I have enjoyed all three films to varying degrees. Mainly since I enjoy animation. I did not like some of the "real" animation scenes in LOTR.
I enjoyed the songs in the Hobbit and ROTK.

The Hobbit and ROTK are by Rankin Bass and LOTR by Bashki. I think all three were distributed by Warner Bros.

The Tolkein Sarcasm Page helped me enjoy LOTR even more. LOTR was a good try and I would have liked to have seen the completion of LOTR. I think that the animated format is the best format for LOTR and the Hobbit.

Sincerely,
Anthony
:rollin

Agburanar · 01-23-2002, 05:14 AM

There's an animated film of ROTK? I never heard of that one!

mithrand1r · 01-23-2002, 11:38 PM

Here is some more info about ROTK from

http://us.imdb.com/

and a review from Kurt of Florida.

Return of the King, The (1980)(TV)
Directed by
Jules Bass
Arthur Rankin Jr.

Writing credits
J.R.R. Tolkien (novel)
Credited cast overview:
Orson Bean .... Frodo and Bilbo Baggins
Theodore Bikel .... Aragorn
William Conrad .... Denethor
John Huston .... Gandalf
Roddy McDowall .... Samwise Gamgee
Brother Theodore .... Gollum
Paul Frees .... Goblin, Elrond
Don Messick
John Stephenson (I)
Casey Kasem .... Meriadoc Brandybuck
Sonny Melendrez .... Peregrin (Pippin) Took
Nellie Bellflower .... Eowyn
Glenn Yarborough .... The Minstrel
Runtime: 98
Country: USA
Language: English

User Comments:

Kurt (takamoto84@hotmail.com)
Florida, USA

Date: 24 July 1999
Summary: More Than Just a Book-to-Movie

Some of you may have read my review of 'The Hobbit' on IMDB. If not, I suggest you do, as I think it brings up some things that should be realized.

Like it's prequel, this movie has been plagued by bad reviews by mainly Tolkien-fans who believe that it oversimplifies the story, and that it takes things away until it has transformed their much-loved story of the beginning of the age of man into a kids-movie with no more value than being such.

I strongly disagree. This movie is far from being a children's-film, though it is definitely enjoyed by many. As a child I watched it many, many times, until the point that the tape lost quality. And yet, after all those viewings, I didn't realize the important lessons it teaches.

This movie tells a lot of its lessons through song. These songs can mean different things
to different people, as all things in all movies do. The story, also, means different things
in different perspectives -- to some, the loyalty or realizations of Samwise might be familiar to their own personality, and they will see what he goes through as their lessons.

Others will see themselves as Frodo, having to go through a time of not only global(outter)-conflict, but inner as well, as they travel through that time and end up changed, and then have to move on past the troubled times they've triumphed over. Or it could be more complicated, those combined, or maybe also with the Ring becoming something they know.

There's a lot to be learned from this movie, however you look at it, so long as it's not
looked at with eyes that are searching only for the story from the book. If you watch it with an open mind, you'll learn something that will help you.

I don't go into as much detail as I did in my review of the Hobbit, as this movie's lessons
are much more broad, with there being more going on than in the prequel. It takes a mind looking for answers to see them in this movie, as everyone who looks at it with their different life-experiences and personality will interperet the songs and actions and deeds of characters differently.

This movie and its prequel are wonderful things to experience for people of any age.

Sincerely,
Anthony

mithrand1r · 01-24-2002, 12:02 AM

Some info. about LOTR from http://us.imdb.com/

Lord of the Rings, The (1978)

Directed by
Ralph Bakshi

Cast overview, first billed only:
Christopher Guard .... Frodo Baggins
William Squire .... Gandalf
Michael Scholes .... Sam
John Hurt .... Aragorn
Simon Chandler .... Meriadoc
Dominic Guard .... Pippin
Norman Bird .... Bilbo Baggins
Michael Graham Cox .... Boromir
Anthony Daniels .... Legolas
David Buck .... Gimli
Peter Woodthorpe .... Gollum
Fraser Kerr .... Saruman
Phillip Stone .... King Theoden
Michael Deacon .... Wormtongue
André Morell .... Elrond

J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings (1978) (USA: complete title)
Runtime: 132
Country: USA
Language: English

Sincerely,
Anthony

Legolas_BowKing · 01-27-2002, 07:49 PM

I am very glad i haven't seen these movies that you speek of.

Khadrane · 03-06-2002, 09:57 PM

I thought the Hobbit movie was pretty good. But I got every single one of those idiotic songs stuck in my head for 2 weeks straight.

Thrain · 03-07-2002, 08:55 PM

The Hobbit Cartoon was made by one company while Lord of the Rings which stops half way through is a different company. There is a Return of the King which is made by the company that made the Hobbit.
My opinion. There all total trash,
Later

Thrain · 03-08-2002, 04:14 PM

The Hobbit and ROTK are made by the same company. The LOTR is made by aanother co. There all trash.2\

***Khamûl*** · 03-19-2002, 11:57 PM

If it hadn't been for the animated Hobbit, I might not have gotten into LotR. I saw it when I was probably 5 or 6 and kinda forgot about it until one day when I was wandering through the library and a book called to me from the shelf. I looked at it and it was The Hobbit. I didn't know what a hobbit was, but I vaguely remembered that it had a dragon in it and I liked dragons. So, long story short, I read it, loved it, read LotR, loved it, and here I am on Entmoot.

My only problem with animated Hobbit was some of the songs. I just didn't picture them bursting into song while getting kidnapped by goblins or anything like that. (Down, down to goblin town, anyone?) Which I guess they wrote songs about everything else (like baths), so why not sing about getting chased by goblins? I honestly didn't think it was that bad.

Thrain · 03-22-2002, 08:20 PM

TRASH

ekrenbrand · 03-24-2002, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by surjay
The animated Hobbit is a great movie! Sure it's a simple movie, but I think it goes along well with the overall mood of the book.

It is by far the most accurate of any of these films, with only a few things left out due to time constraints. At least it didn't blatently change things like the other two movies mentioned in this thread.

It's a fun movie and I think it is enjoyable as such. I don't think it should be looked at for anything more then that.

The songs are great! I have them all downloaded.

"Fifteen birds...........in five fir trees!"

i have to agree with this person's entire post. i think it accomplished a lot and really gave the feeling that i thought master tolkien wanted to give in his book. I would also like to say that the songs although they remind me a lot of kenny g were very good and i enjoyed listening to them as a child

thanks

Laughing Woman · 03-24-2002, 05:50 PM

Dear Hobbit friends,

thank you so much for encouraging me to look at the Hobbit movie as a child might look at it. I think that is the key to really understanding Tolkein, because while he did not write for Tolkein he wrote to awaken us to the child in all of us. We are to be like little children. We are to use our imaginations to go the worlds that we can only experience through our imaginations. I like to think that we live in more than one nation. The United States of America is our political nation, but the nation of our true selves is the imagi-nation. And even children are losing the ability to find ways to go to that nation.
May we all be citizens of our imaginations and may we all find ways to direct our fellow humans to explore that country as well. For to be truly human is to live in that wonderful nation. Thanks again.

11-07-2001, 07:37 PM	#41
surjay Sapling Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Madison, IN USA Posts: 6	Great! The animated Hobbit is a great movie! Sure it's a simple movie, but I think it goes along well with the overall mood of the book. It is by far the most accurate of any of these films, with only a few things left out due to time constraints. At least it didn't blatently change things like the other two movies mentioned in this thread. It's a fun movie and I think it is enjoyable as such. I don't think it should be looked at for anything more then that. The songs are great! I have them all downloaded. "Fifteen birds...........in five fir trees!" __________________ "What's taters, precious, eh, what's taters?"

11-28-2001, 01:41 PM	#44
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	My parents decided to get me the Rankin Bass lotr on video for christmas. SOB Hopefully the movie will be good in the cinema. I couldn't stand two awful viewings so close together. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-22-2002, 10:31 PM	#49
mithrand1r Cyber Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Left of Rock, Right of Hard Place Posts: 986	The Hobbit; LOTR; and ROTK Of the Three animated movies, the Hobbit is the most accurate followed by LOTR and ROTK. I have enjoyed all three films to varying degrees. Mainly since I enjoy animation. I did not like some of the "real" animation scenes in LOTR. I enjoyed the songs in the Hobbit and ROTK. The Hobbit and ROTK are by Rankin Bass and LOTR by Bashki. I think all three were distributed by Warner Bros. The Tolkein Sarcasm Page helped me enjoy LOTR even more. LOTR was a good try and I would have liked to have seen the completion of LOTR. I think that the animated format is the best format for LOTR and the Hobbit. Sincerely, Anthony :rollin

01-23-2002, 11:38 PM	#51
mithrand1r Cyber Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Left of Rock, Right of Hard Place Posts: 986	Here is some more info about ROTK from http://us.imdb.com/ and a review from Kurt of Florida. Return of the King, The (1980)(TV) Directed by Jules Bass Arthur Rankin Jr. Writing credits J.R.R. Tolkien (novel) Credited cast overview: Orson Bean .... Frodo and Bilbo Baggins Theodore Bikel .... Aragorn William Conrad .... Denethor John Huston .... Gandalf Roddy McDowall .... Samwise Gamgee Brother Theodore .... Gollum Paul Frees .... Goblin, Elrond Don Messick John Stephenson (I) Casey Kasem .... Meriadoc Brandybuck Sonny Melendrez .... Peregrin (Pippin) Took Nellie Bellflower .... Eowyn Glenn Yarborough .... The Minstrel Runtime: 98 Country: USA Language: English User Comments: Kurt (takamoto84@hotmail.com) Florida, USA Date: 24 July 1999 Summary: More Than Just a Book-to-Movie Some of you may have read my review of 'The Hobbit' on IMDB. If not, I suggest you do, as I think it brings up some things that should be realized. Like it's prequel, this movie has been plagued by bad reviews by mainly Tolkien-fans who believe that it oversimplifies the story, and that it takes things away until it has transformed their much-loved story of the beginning of the age of man into a kids-movie with no more value than being such. I strongly disagree. This movie is far from being a children's-film, though it is definitely enjoyed by many. As a child I watched it many, many times, until the point that the tape lost quality. And yet, after all those viewings, I didn't realize the important lessons it teaches. This movie tells a lot of its lessons through song. These songs can mean different things to different people, as all things in all movies do. The story, also, means different things in different perspectives -- to some, the loyalty or realizations of Samwise might be familiar to their own personality, and they will see what he goes through as their lessons. Others will see themselves as Frodo, having to go through a time of not only global(outter)-conflict, but inner as well, as they travel through that time and end up changed, and then have to move on past the troubled times they've triumphed over. Or it could be more complicated, those combined, or maybe also with the Ring becoming something they know. There's a lot to be learned from this movie, however you look at it, so long as it's not looked at with eyes that are searching only for the story from the book. If you watch it with an open mind, you'll learn something that will help you. I don't go into as much detail as I did in my review of the Hobbit, as this movie's lessons are much more broad, with there being more going on than in the prequel. It takes a mind looking for answers to see them in this movie, as everyone who looks at it with their different life-experiences and personality will interperet the songs and actions and deeds of characters differently. This movie and its prequel are wonderful things to experience for people of any age. Sincerely, Anthony __________________ Sincerely, Anthony 'Many are my names in many countries,' he said. 'Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Drarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf; to the East I go not.' Faramir What nobler employment, or more valuable to the state, than that of the man who instructs the rising generation? Cicero (106BC-43BC)

01-24-2002, 12:02 AM	#52
mithrand1r Cyber Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Left of Rock, Right of Hard Place Posts: 986	Some info. about LOTR from http://us.imdb.com/ Lord of the Rings, The (1978) Directed by Ralph Bakshi Cast overview, first billed only: Christopher Guard .... Frodo Baggins William Squire .... Gandalf Michael Scholes .... Sam John Hurt .... Aragorn Simon Chandler .... Meriadoc Dominic Guard .... Pippin Norman Bird .... Bilbo Baggins Michael Graham Cox .... Boromir Anthony Daniels .... Legolas David Buck .... Gimli Peter Woodthorpe .... Gollum Fraser Kerr .... Saruman Phillip Stone .... King Theoden Michael Deacon .... Wormtongue André Morell .... Elrond J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings (1978) (USA: complete title) Runtime: 132 Country: USA Language: English Sincerely, Anthony __________________ Sincerely, Anthony 'Many are my names in many countries,' he said. 'Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Drarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf; to the East I go not.' Faramir What nobler employment, or more valuable to the state, than that of the man who instructs the rising generation? Cicero (106BC-43BC)

11-10-2001, 01:05 AM	#42
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	:huggs surjay: thank you.......

11-28-2001, 10:13 AM	#43
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Youwhat? Where can I obtain this film? What is going on? When? How? I'm confused. What company produced it? It's not Disney is it? Imagine: Disney's 'Short People' (based on 'the hobbit' by JRR tolkien). In comes Bilbo skipping happily and singing with the birds. Suddenly, in an explosion of pink blossoms Gandalf enters... yeuch!

11-28-2001, 02:36 PM	#45
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	oh dear. that's on my list too.

01-20-2002, 02:37 PM	#46
Greg Ferlito Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: new york Posts: 3	I've seen both The Hobbit and The lord of the rings animated verisons i thought the hobbit was great the animation was good and the songs spectacular the lord of the rings on the other hand was not so great i didn't like the animation as well as the hobbit the orcs and ringwraiths looked terrible however the blood made it a little better the same company that made the hobbit warner bros. i think made the Return of the King which i haven't seen nor have i seen it anywhere but i would like to

01-20-2002, 02:44 PM	#47
Greg Ferlito Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: new york Posts: 3	Does anybody know where i can download the songs from the Hobbit? they're great!

01-22-2002, 05:29 AM	#48
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	I thought the animated LotR was sooooooo much better than PJ's film version. Even though I thought the hobbits in the animated version were badly interpreted and Saruman's red robe was an interesting choice, the orcs and ringwraiths were much scarier and aalthough they cut more stuff out they didn't add in pointless pantomime bits (the collapsing stairs in moria [nobody chucks a dwarf???] for example)

01-23-2002, 05:14 AM	#50
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	There's an animated film of ROTK? I never heard of that one!

01-27-2002, 07:49 PM	#53
Legolas_BowKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 115	I am very glad i haven't seen these movies that you speek of.

03-06-2002, 09:57 PM	#54
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	I thought the Hobbit movie was pretty good. But I got every single one of those idiotic songs stuck in my head for 2 weeks straight. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

03-07-2002, 08:55 PM	#55
Thrain Enting Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Right now I am currently living in Rivendell Posts: 52	The Hobbit Cartoon was made by one company while Lord of the Rings which stops half way through is a different company. There is a Return of the King which is made by the company that made the Hobbit. My opinion. There all total trash, Later __________________ Never mettle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good ketchup.

03-08-2002, 04:14 PM	#56
Thrain Enting Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Right now I am currently living in Rivendell Posts: 52	The Hobbit and ROTK are made by the same company. The LOTR is made by aanother co. There all trash.2\ __________________ Never mettle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good ketchup.

03-19-2002, 11:57 PM	#57
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	If it hadn't been for the animated Hobbit, I might not have gotten into LotR. I saw it when I was probably 5 or 6 and kinda forgot about it until one day when I was wandering through the library and a book called to me from the shelf. I looked at it and it was The Hobbit. I didn't know what a hobbit was, but I vaguely remembered that it had a dragon in it and I liked dragons. So, long story short, I read it, loved it, read LotR, loved it, and here I am on Entmoot. My only problem with animated Hobbit was some of the songs. I just didn't picture them bursting into song while getting kidnapped by goblins or anything like that. (Down, down to goblin town, anyone?) Which I guess they wrote songs about everything else (like baths), so why not sing about getting chased by goblins? I honestly didn't think it was that bad. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

03-22-2002, 08:20 PM	#58
Thrain Enting Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Right now I am currently living in Rivendell Posts: 52	TRASH __________________ Never mettle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good ketchup.

03-24-2002, 05:50 PM	#60
Laughing Woman Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: santa barbara Posts: 11	Dear Hobbit friends, thank you so much for encouraging me to look at the Hobbit movie as a child might look at it. I think that is the key to really understanding Tolkein, because while he did not write for Tolkein he wrote to awaken us to the child in all of us. We are to be like little children. We are to use our imaginations to go the worlds that we can only experience through our imaginations. I like to think that we live in more than one nation. The United States of America is our political nation, but the nation of our true selves is the imagi-nation. And even children are losing the ability to find ways to go to that nation. May we all be citizens of our imaginations and may we all find ways to direct our fellow humans to explore that country as well. For to be truly human is to live in that wonderful nation. Thanks again. __________________ laughing woman

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