LOTR Movie=ignorant fans?

Ace · 12-01-2001, 03:07 AM

I've been mildy concerned about this for some tmie now. After the movies come out, there is obviously going to be an explosion of people who are into LOTR. What I'm saying is, before the movie, you could meet someone at a party and talk about LOTR and more or less be on the same page.
But after the movie, you could meet someone who says they love LOTR and has never even heard of Tom Bombadil?

I'm just saying I enjoy having deep and intelligent conversations about the LOTR. There's going to be alot of LOTR posers after the movie comes out.

"Well if the choice be mine, I say, we march!"

***Fat middle*** · 12-01-2001, 06:37 AM

Welcome to the Entmoot, Ace!

i hope yu'll find here what your looking for. we have discussed this topic a number of times; perhaps you'll like to read some of the threads in the LOTR Movies forum.

Elrond · 12-01-2001, 10:40 AM

I agree with you whole-heartedly, one of my favourite characters is Tom Bombadil. And you can not be a Lord of the Rings fan if you do not know who he is.

Another thing to worry you is when the games and figures are out some people will just pick who ever looks coolest as their favourite character. or whoever looks like the best fighter.(won't be a lot of Hobbit fans)

You must pass an aptitude test to see the movie.

garrfin · 12-01-2001, 10:56 AM

who isnt in the film?not that it really bothers me but who have they missed out?is Glorfindel in it?

Bacchus · 12-01-2001, 11:33 AM

Perhaps there will indeed be LOTR 'posers' as you say. But perhaps there will also be large numbers of new readers following the movies, and thus new people to discuss with at parties.

Comic Book Guy · 12-01-2001, 12:46 PM

Glorfindel is not in the Flight to the Ford, he isn't even in any of the movie.

Darth Tater · 12-01-2001, 12:55 PM

CBG, that's not true. According to TORN and the New Line casting info, his character is in there, probably at the Council of Elrond and I'd assume also in the prologue.

Comic Book Guy · 12-01-2001, 03:10 PM

Why would Glorfindel be in the Prologue, he came in the Third age. *Suddenly Reminded about Arwen* sigh, never mind.

Elrond · 12-01-2001, 10:43 PM

But he fought in the war of the elves and Sauron did he not?

Wayfarer · 12-02-2001, 04:29 PM

Hes he did... he 'fought' the witch king.

well... ok, he scared him off.

I'm really hoping that Arwen merely accompanies him to the ford. But hey, I'm a purist.

Gwaihir · 12-02-2001, 04:32 PM

No he is not going to be with her at the ford it says so at theonering.com also in the trailer she is the only one there

Wayfarer · 12-02-2001, 04:34 PM

[Edited: Please refrain from that kind of profanity. Young people post at these boards.]

[Edit: As you can tell... I'm not to happy about this development.]

***IronParrot*** · 12-02-2001, 11:35 PM

Glorfindel will not be at the Fords of Bruinen.

Watch all the trailers again, look at all the promotional materials, and look at every little scrap of every little thing we've seen in the film so far. Maybe one of the early reviews will confirm it further if you're still not convinced - I haven't read them all yet, since I still want to be somewhat surprised by Jackson's interpretation of the novel, but you can see for yourself.

fireworks19 · 12-03-2001, 11:55 AM

I might have mentioned this, but.

Recall. The Crow? How many huge fans of the movies know there were really depressing comics BEFORE? I expect history to repeat itself in the case of LOTR.

sracer · 12-03-2001, 04:51 PM

One thing that seems to happen when something is brought into the mainstream...whether it be the Internet, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Anime, or Lord of the Rings... those people who where were "into it" before it went mainstream look down upon those who "just came to the party".

It's just human nature.

Even for those newcomers who read the books after watching the film, they'll be looked upon as 2nd class fans. Old diehards will reminsce about "the good old days" of sitting in dimly lit coffee shops reading the trilogy during their college days...and complain how easy it is for these young upstarts now that LOTR have moved into the mainstream's consciousness.

With these films, LOTR may very well move into the mainstream consciousness, and become larger influence on pop culture. I'm glad that Tolkien's works will finally get the recognition they deserve...and shove Harry Potter and Star Wars back (if only temporarily) to a dusty corner.

On a side note, I've read the trilogy a few times, and taken a few college courses on it. I have yet to see where the character of Tom Bombadil has any great significance to the story, or Middle Earth. Certainly not enough to justify the furor there's been at his omission from the films.

Wayfarer · 12-03-2001, 05:09 PM

I, personally, am looking forward to seeing more people get into Tolkien. I know a few people that I never would have suspected even knew of hte books, acting almost like us hard core fanatics lately.

Just think of this as an opporotunity to indoctrinate tolkien newbies in the way of purism.

Bregalad, Ent of Fangorn · 12-03-2001, 05:53 PM

Ha ha ha ha

I find the last 2 comment's to perfectly reflect what I would have said. Though I do think that personally I have more respect for people who read the book's, then ones who just saw the movie, because in a book you are capable of thinking of thing's your way, while in the movie you are given what's on the screen and that is it.

Ñólendil · 12-03-2001, 09:26 PM

CBG, Glorfindel actually came during the Second Age, in the Year of Dread.

Agburanar · 12-04-2001, 09:50 AM

GLORFINDEL IS NOT IN THE FILM. He is not a character available in the Lotr (fellowship of the ring) wargame for this reason. I am upset.

Miríel · 12-04-2001, 10:44 AM

I think the ones reading lotr after having seen the movie would always be 2. class fans.
I red lotr in may, but then i hadn't even heard of the movie!!
And why isn't Glorfindel with Arwen, why is Arwen there at all?

?
I think Arwen is getting too much attention!!

12-01-2001, 03:07 AM	#1
Ace Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Long Island Posts: 20	LOTR Movie=ignorant fans? I've been mildy concerned about this for some tmie now. After the movies come out, there is obviously going to be an explosion of people who are into LOTR. What I'm saying is, before the movie, you could meet someone at a party and talk about LOTR and more or less be on the same page. But after the movie, you could meet someone who says they love LOTR and has never even heard of Tom Bombadil? I'm just saying I enjoy having deep and intelligent conversations about the LOTR. There's going to be alot of LOTR posers after the movie comes out. "Well if the choice be mine, I say, we march!"

12-01-2001, 06:37 AM	#2
*Fat middle* Mootis per forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Spain Posts: 61,439	Welcome to the Entmoot, Ace! i hope yu'll find here what your looking for. we have discussed this topic a number of times; perhaps you'll like to read some of the threads in the LOTR Movies forum. __________________ Do not be hasty. That is my motto. Now we'll have a drink and go to the Entmoot.

12-01-2001, 10:40 AM	#3
Elrond Sapling Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 9	Good point I agree with you whole-heartedly, one of my favourite characters is Tom Bombadil. And you can not be a Lord of the Rings fan if you do not know who he is. Another thing to worry you is when the games and figures are out some people will just pick who ever looks coolest as their favourite character. or whoever looks like the best fighter.(won't be a lot of Hobbit fans) You must pass an aptitude test to see the movie.

12-01-2001, 10:56 AM	#4
garrfin Sapling Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Marsden Moor, England Posts: 13	Whos out? who isnt in the film?not that it really bothers me but who have they missed out?is Glorfindel in it?

12-01-2001, 11:33 AM	#5
Bacchus Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Houston TX USA Posts: 245	Perhaps there will indeed be LOTR 'posers' as you say. But perhaps there will also be large numbers of new readers following the movies, and thus new people to discuss with at parties. __________________ Yet neither by wolf, nor by Balrog, nor by Dragon, would Morgoth have achieved his end, but for the treachery of Men. Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes another shape and grows again.

12-01-2001, 12:46 PM	#6
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Glorfindel is not in the Flight to the Ford, he isn't even in any of the movie.

12-01-2001, 12:55 PM	#7
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	CBG, that's not true. According to TORN and the New Line casting info, his character is in there, probably at the Council of Elrond and I'd assume also in the prologue. __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

12-01-2001, 03:10 PM	#8
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Why would Glorfindel be in the Prologue, he came in the Third age. Suddenly Reminded about Arwen sigh, never mind.

12-01-2001, 10:43 PM	#9
Elrond Sapling Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 9	But he fought in the war of the elves and Sauron did he not?

12-02-2001, 04:29 PM	#10
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Hes he did... he 'fought' the witch king. well... ok, he scared him off. I'm really hoping that Arwen merely accompanies him to the ford. But hey, I'm a purist. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

12-02-2001, 04:32 PM	#11
Gwaihir Sapling Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 3	No he is not going to be with her at the ford it says so at theonering.com also in the trailer she is the only one there

12-02-2001, 04:34 PM	#12
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	[Edited: Please refrain from that kind of profanity. Young people post at these boards.] [Edit: As you can tell... I'm not to happy about this development.] __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 12-02-2001 at 04:37 PM.

12-02-2001, 11:35 PM	#13
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Glorfindel will not be at the Fords of Bruinen. Watch all the trailers again, look at all the promotional materials, and look at every little scrap of every little thing we've seen in the film so far. Maybe one of the early reviews will confirm it further if you're still not convinced - I haven't read them all yet, since I still want to be somewhat surprised by Jackson's interpretation of the novel, but you can see for yourself. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

12-03-2001, 11:55 AM	#14
fireworks19 Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 156	I might have mentioned this, but. Recall. The Crow? How many huge fans of the movies know there were really depressing comics BEFORE? I expect history to repeat itself in the case of LOTR. __________________ Just Watch the Fireworks Just Meet Fireworks =)

12-03-2001, 04:51 PM	#15
sracer Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 22	One thing that seems to happen when something is brought into the mainstream...whether it be the Internet, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Anime, or Lord of the Rings... those people who where were "into it" before it went mainstream look down upon those who "just came to the party". It's just human nature. Even for those newcomers who read the books after watching the film, they'll be looked upon as 2nd class fans. Old diehards will reminsce about "the good old days" of sitting in dimly lit coffee shops reading the trilogy during their college days...and complain how easy it is for these young upstarts now that LOTR have moved into the mainstream's consciousness. With these films, LOTR may very well move into the mainstream consciousness, and become larger influence on pop culture. I'm glad that Tolkien's works will finally get the recognition they deserve...and shove Harry Potter and Star Wars back (if only temporarily) to a dusty corner. On a side note, I've read the trilogy a few times, and taken a few college courses on it. I have yet to see where the character of Tom Bombadil has any great significance to the story, or Middle Earth. Certainly not enough to justify the furor there's been at his omission from the films.

12-03-2001, 05:09 PM	#16
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I, personally, am looking forward to seeing more people get into Tolkien. I know a few people that I never would have suspected even knew of hte books, acting almost like us hard core fanatics lately. Just think of this as an opporotunity to indoctrinate tolkien newbies in the way of purism. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

12-03-2001, 05:53 PM	#17
Bregalad, Ent of Fangorn Sapling Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fangorn Forest, Canada Posts: 10	Ha ha ha ha I find the last 2 comment's to perfectly reflect what I would have said. Though I do think that personally I have more respect for people who read the book's, then ones who just saw the movie, because in a book you are capable of thinking of thing's your way, while in the movie you are given what's on the screen and that is it.

12-03-2001, 09:26 PM	#18
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	CBG, Glorfindel actually came during the Second Age, in the Year of Dread. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

12-04-2001, 09:50 AM	#19
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	GLORFINDEL IS NOT IN THE FILM. He is not a character available in the Lotr (fellowship of the ring) wargame for this reason. I am upset.

12-04-2001, 10:44 AM	#20
Miríel Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 16	I think the ones reading lotr after having seen the movie would always be 2. class fans. I red lotr in may, but then i hadn't even heard of the movie!! And why isn't Glorfindel with Arwen, why is Arwen there at all? ? I think Arwen is getting too much attention!!

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