Neville! - Page 3

**Nurvingiel** · 09-23-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Wow... it started out as a normal thread... Aaaaanayway...

Neville is my favourite character! I think the hesitation surrounding his placement was because the Hat was torn between Hufflepuff and Gryffindor. As we have seen on several occasions (like when he fought Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle, or when he stood up to Hermione) Neville is extremely brave. He is also kind and at times, timid - good Hufflepuff qualities.

So I can see that the Hat would hesitate between those two, as it did with Harry and Gryffindor and Slytherin. (For Harry, I think this hesitation also represents his self-conflicting nature, if that made sense.)

And wow, Lizra, those were some really amazing insights into Neville!

Cool. I bet JKR knows about the anagram, nothing seems to happen by accident in these books.

Ahem... discuss! Discuss before this great thread is closed. I love Neville, he has been my favourite character since the first book, before we even knew he was so noble and cool! (Even though I always thought he was brave.)

Thoughts?

BeardofPants · 09-23-2004, 12:15 PM

So... No one thinks that it's at all probably that Neville was marked by Voldemort, and NOT Harry, and that this is what could have caused the hat to hesitate?

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-23-2004, 12:52 PM

I think the Hat wasn't sure. Maybe he found something inside Neville's head that suggested that it was a mental marking not phyisical(sp), and that Neville possesed the same qualities as Harry, bravery, daring, disrespect for rues, but they were hidden by the grief of what had happened to his parents.

**Nurvingiel** · 09-23-2004, 12:53 PM

Hm... I never thought of that. *ponders* But if this were the case, wouldn't Dumbledore have told Harry this when he 'told all' at the end of the fifth book? Knowing that Neville was Voldemort's 'opposite' instead of Harry would certainly take quite a load off his shoulders. (If that is in fact what you meant.)

Very interesting point BoP!

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-23-2004, 01:02 PM

It was but Dumbledore wouldn't nesseceraly (sp) know would he.

***azalea*** · 09-23-2004, 02:41 PM

No, I think Dumbledore had it right. I mean, I could be wrong in the end, but I truly think that Harry was the one Voldemort marked by choosing him as his target. He [i]could[i] have chosen either one, but he chose Harry, so Harry must be the one to which the prophecy refers. I think we'll see something great from Neville, though. He is a great character; I liked him more after each book.

BeardofPants · 09-23-2004, 02:50 PM

Yes, but dumbledore has been known in the past to have not divulged ALL the information...

***azalea*** · 09-23-2004, 03:14 PM

True, and I think more info will be forthcoming. But for this one question, [i]I[i] think he gave the right answer (ie, Harry is the One). But I really can't wait to see what's up with those gum wrappers!

I'm sure there's a lot more info about Neville and his family we'll be getting.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-23-2004, 04:14 PM

Maybe there was another prophecy, that no one witnessed. Prophecising great deeds for Neville.

**Nurvingiel** · 09-23-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by azalea

No, I think Dumbledore had it right. I mean, I could be wrong in the end, but I truly think that Harry was the one Voldemort marked by choosing him as his target.

If the prophecy was made about the one Voldemort marked, but Voldemort fulfilled the prophecy by attacking him, isn't that circular?

You all make very good points about possibilities for Neville. Voldemort did go after him as well didn't he? Or did he attack Neville's parents simply because they were Aurors and powerful wizards? I'm confused on that point.

Radagast The Brown · 09-23-2004, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

You all make very good points about possibilities for Neville. Voldemort did go after him as well didn't he? Or did he attack Neville's parents simply because they were Aurors and powerful wizards? I'm confused on that point.

It is said that the child in the prophecy was(/will be) born to a family that escaped Voldemort 3 times (IIRC) in the past. Voldemort did want both the Longbottoms and Potters dead - because they were in the Order. I think.
But since it's also said something about the one Voldemort chooses, and Voldemort chose Harry - it cannot be Neville by the prophecy.

thranduil · 09-24-2004, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Radagast The Brown

It is said that the child in the prophecy was(/will be) born to a family that escaped Voldemort 3 times (IIRC) in the past. Voldemort did want both the Longbottoms and Potters dead - because they were in the Order. I think.
But since it's also said something about the one Voldemort chooses, and Voldemort chose Harry - it cannot be Neville by the prophecy.

exactly. i agree. [flame deleted]

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-24-2004, 02:51 AM

Let's not start that again.

thranduil · 09-24-2004, 04:18 AM

i dont remember ever writing that.......strange...........

**Nurvingiel** · 09-24-2004, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radagast The Brown

It is said that the child in the prophecy was(/will be) born to a family that escaped Voldemort 3 times (IIRC) in the past. Voldemort did want both the Longbottoms and Potters dead - because they were in the Order. I think.
But since it's also said something about the one Voldemort chooses, and Voldemort chose Harry - it cannot be Neville by the prophecy.

Right. That's what I thought, but now I'm confused.

Maybe you meant something else BoP? Regardless of the details of the prophecy, Neville and Harry are definitely connected. They're good friends, and they probably would have been without the prophecy, even though it was often evil attacks by Voldemort that threw them together.

***azalea*** · 09-24-2004, 06:14 PM

Maybe when they grow up (assuming Neville doesn't die

) they'll be partner Aurors or something!

**Nurvingiel** · 09-25-2004, 05:58 AM

Yeah! *hugs Neville* I often cheer for underdog characters in books, but Neville is truly a great character. He's interesting, complex, brave, has a mysterious past, and humorous. What's not to love?

I think Neville would be a great Auror. I don't know if that's what is in store for Harry though. Somehow it seems to obvious, even though both he and Ron would be excellent. I would laugh if Hermione because an Auror after she said "I want to do something more worthwhile."

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-25-2004, 06:59 AM

Well that could well be what Neville said in his interview with Mcgonogall(sp).

**Nurvingiel** · 09-25-2004, 11:35 AM

What was that interview? Refresh my memory please. I've only read book 5 once, about 2 months after it first came out.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-25-2004, 11:41 AM

The careers advice. Maybe Neville to said he wanted to be an Auror.

09-23-2004, 12:15 PM	#42
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	So... No one thinks that it's at all probably that Neville was marked by Voldemort, and NOT Harry, and that this is what could have caused the hat to hesitate? __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

09-23-2004, 12:52 PM	#43
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	I think the Hat wasn't sure. Maybe he found something inside Neville's head that suggested that it was a mental marking not phyisical(sp), and that Neville possesed the same qualities as Harry, bravery, daring, disrespect for rues, but they were hidden by the grief of what had happened to his parents. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-23-2004, 01:02 PM	#45
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	It was but Dumbledore wouldn't nesseceraly (sp) know would he. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-23-2004, 02:50 PM	#47
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yes, but dumbledore has been known in the past to have not divulged ALL the information... __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

09-23-2004, 04:14 PM	#49
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Maybe there was another prophecy, that no one witnessed. Prophecising great deeds for Neville. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-23-2004, 02:41 PM	#46
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	No, I think Dumbledore had it right. I mean, I could be wrong in the end, but I truly think that Harry was the one Voldemort marked by choosing him as his target. He [i]could[i] have chosen either one, but he chose Harry, so Harry must be the one to which the prophecy refers. I think we'll see something great from Neville, though. He is a great character; I liked him more after each book.

09-23-2004, 03:14 PM	#48
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	True, and I think more info will be forthcoming. But for this one question, [i]I[i] think he gave the right answer (ie, Harry is the One). But I really can't wait to see what's up with those gum wrappers! I'm sure there's a lot more info about Neville and his family we'll be getting.

09-24-2004, 02:51 AM	#53
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Let's not start that again. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-24-2004, 04:18 AM	#54
thranduil Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 345	i dont remember ever writing that.......strange........... __________________ "The first rule about Fight Club, You don't talk about Fight Club."

09-24-2004, 06:14 PM	#56
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Maybe when they grow up (assuming Neville doesn't die ) they'll be partner Aurors or something!

09-25-2004, 06:59 AM	#58
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Well that could well be what Neville said in his interview with Mcgonogall(sp). __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-25-2004, 11:41 AM	#60
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	The careers advice. Maybe Neville to said he wanted to be an Auror. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

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