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Hello back to you, Eärniel Your intuition did not fail you. Here I am on my favorite subject - the Contriving Elves.
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However he was not aware of the Oathbreakers and the powerful curse. Otherwise he would be much more interested in Isildur's heirs. The elves knew and kept it secret, taking care of Dunedain's line. Quote:
Gondor, seems, with all their potentials and intentions did not have such luxury of choices. Quote:
Protection...not much. Only to keep the existence of heirs secret up to the point, and then they will be on their own. Fighting, dying...I think Elrond entirely secured his secret weapon by making sure that in absence of a direct heir it will be someone next in line, who will evoke the summons of the Dead.
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06-17-2012, 08:35 PM | #2 |
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Sorry Olmer... I just can't imagine Elrond running a nursery/day care for all the little Dunedain descendants of Arvedui.
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06-18-2012, 05:21 PM | #3 |
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yeah, apparently they had a large enough population to avoid ill effects from inbreeding. Either that or they were lucky emnough to have a gene pool with few or no bad recessive genes. Or at least, Tolkien never bothered to write about "a Habsburg jaw" hereditary deformity.
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06-19-2012, 08:08 AM | #4 |
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On your original question, Grey Wolf, it may be partly that the northerners were more careful about who they married - but also, I think their realistic marriage partners were almost exclusively other Dunedain.
In the first thousand years of the Third Age, Arnor did not make attempts to expand the kingdom. And they were hemmed in - arctic areas (with some bands of Lossoth) to the north, ocean to the south, Misty Mountains to the east (with some hill people) and Elves to the west. About all they could have done was expand into Dunland, or else try to expand over the Misty Mountains. They kept to themselves, whereas Gondor was always expanding in this time. In Gondor, while they were rare, political royal marriages to other peoples would have always been a possibility. In Arnor, there was no apparent need for this (until Arvedui and Firiel married in 1940). In the next thousand years, there was first prolonged civil war among Arnor's daughter kingdoms, then the long campaign against the upsurging land of Angmar. Again - no others to marry with besides their own people. And in the last thousand years of the Third Age, I think Eriador was largely depopulated altogether - with most Dunedain living in small bands, probably striving to stay connected with one another. In the north, the idea of intermarriage would have been a tough thing to happen anyway. In Gondor, it may have been almost inevitable.
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