Is Harry related to Voldemort?

Sylvee Estel · 04-19-2003, 03:19 PM

My friend and I came up with this theory...
Harry could easily be related to Voldemort. I personally think Voldemort could be Harry's grandfather. James Potter's dad. Voldemort should be about 57 years old in book 5. So the age works. This could also explain why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry in the first place. He could have been afraid that Harry would inherit his powers, and eventually overthrow him, or something like that.
The only problem with my theory is that Harry should have the same last name as Voldemort, which would be Riddle. So maybe James Potter was adopted, and his last name was changed? Or maybe Voldemort is related to Harry in a different way. Maybe he's his uncle, or something like that?
Or maybe, Voldemort is Lily Potter's father. They makes sense too, becuase all the rumors say we will find out something big about Lily in future books. Also, rumors say that Harry's and Lily's green eyes are important. Slytherin's house color is green. Voldemort is an heir to Slytherin...? The only problem with Voldemort being Lily's father is Petunia. Wouldn't she know if her father was a dark lord?
Anyway I just thought this was an interesting idea... any thoughts?
I know I have way too much time on my hands...

Galadwen · 04-19-2003, 06:15 PM

Maybe Petunia was a squib, and she and her sister were raised by other muggles related to magical people?? Just a thought.

Estel13 · 04-19-2003, 06:56 PM

*shrugs* Who knows? Either Petunia's a Squib, or some relative of Vernon's, and that's Voldemort.
*sniggers* Betcha Petunia's a Squib and that's why she hates the wizarding world.

gimli7410 · 04-19-2003, 07:25 PM

harry only has some of voldemorts powers because his curse gave some of the power to harry when he tried to kill harry. i dont think they are related

SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 04-22-2003, 09:20 AM

Harry's mom is a Mudblood...for lack of better words.

***IronParrot*** · 04-22-2003, 11:34 AM

You'd hope that in the several hundred years of writing in the English language after Shakespeare, people would eventually stop using the Surprise Biological Revelation bit... it worked in Star Wars, sure, but I don't see how making Harry and Voldemort related would serve any storytelling purpose - especially in relation to how we see the first four books.

SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 04-22-2003, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by IronParrot
You'd hope that in the several hundred years of writing in the English language after Shakespeare, people would eventually stop using the Surprise Biological Revelation bit... it worked in Star Wars, sure, but I don't see how making Harry and Voldemort related would serve any storytelling purpose - especially in relation to how we see the first four books.

AMEN!!!

Silverstripe · 04-22-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Sylvee Estel
My friend and I came up with this theory...
Harry could easily be related to Voldemort. I personally think Voldemort could be Harry's grandfather. James Potter's dad. Voldemort should be about 57 years old in book 5. So the age works. This could also explain why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry in the first place. He could have been afraid that Harry would inherit his powers, and eventually overthrow him, or something like that.
The only problem with my theory is that Harry should have the same last name as Voldemort, which would be Riddle. So maybe James Potter was adopted, and his last name was changed? Or maybe Voldemort is related to Harry in a different way. Maybe he's his uncle, or something like that?
Or maybe, Voldemort is Lily Potter's father. They makes sense too, becuase all the rumors say we will find out something big about Lily in future books. Also, rumors say that Harry's and Lily's green eyes are important. Slytherin's house color is green. Voldemort is an heir to Slytherin...?

Well, I don't think Harry will be related to Voldemort. Rowling was asked about that in interviews, and while she didn't actually deny it, she did say it would be "a bit Star Wars."

Also, I think if Voldie was 16 fifty years ago in Chamber of Secrets, then he's about 68 by the time he returns. Middle-aged for a wizard.

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Originally posted by Sylvee Estel
The only problem with Voldemort being Lily's father is Petunia. Wouldn't she know if her father was a dark lord?

Yes, that would explain her fear of all things magic...

But if Voldie was so worried about anyone who could inherit his magic, then

Why did Voldie tell Lily to "stand aside" when he was trying to kill Harry and James Potter? (as seen by Harry in the third book) Wouldn't he have killed her too? And for that matter, why was James an issue at all?

IF, on the other hand, Voldie happens to be the father or uncle of James Potter, this might make a little more sense.

In either case, I don't think that Harry and Voldemort will turn out to be related.

durin's bane · 04-23-2003, 11:34 AM

Well, there's a chance he might, but I don't think so. Harry's just not the evil-type. Sure, he has some of Voldemort's powers, like Parseltongue, but it's because they rubbed off when Harry survived Voldemort's attack.

Fimbrethil · 04-23-2003, 02:25 PM

Hey I've got a good idea lets wait till the 5th book comes out to discuss this topic if it needs discussing at all. But I do have a few comments I would like to make. If Harry is in some way related to Voldie then Rowling is a copy cat!!! However if he is not related to Voldie then that leaves a bigger problem...Why did he want to kill Harry in the first place? It obviously isn't a question of his parents because Voldie was all but ready to let them live if they had stood aside. And does anyone know what the 5th book is about?

Silverstripe · 04-23-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Fimbrethil
Hey I've got a good idea lets wait till the 5th book comes out to discuss this topic if it needs discussing at all. But I do have a few comments I would like to make. If Harry is in some way related to Voldie then Rowling is a copy cat!!! However if he is not related to Voldie then that leaves a bigger problem...Why did he want to kill Harry in the first place? It obviously isn't a question of his parents because Voldie was all but ready to let them live if they had stood aside. And does anyone know what the 5th book is about?

I don't think Rowling will have Harry be related to Voldie, but if she did, you could hardly call her a copy cat! The theme of the hero somehow being related to the villain is actually fairly common in literature. Star Wars is probably the most commonly cited example of this, but it is certainly not the first, or the last. (if you want examples of "everyone's somehow related," just look at Charles Dickens).

Thus, that idea is so commonly used that it no longer belongs to just one person!

Still, it IS getting a bit old, and I sincerely hope Rowling finds a somewhat fresher idea!

sun-star · 04-24-2003, 10:50 AM

I'm almost certain Harry is not related to Voldemort. As a plot device, it's tired and boring, and thematically, it doesn't work with the idea that it's our choices, not our blood, which is important. I'm also sure I've read an interview with JK Rowling where she was asked this question and she replied: "That would be a bit Star Wars, don't you think?"

Fimbrethil · 04-26-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by sun-star
I'm almost certain Harry is not related to Voldemort. As a plot device, it's tired and boring, and thematically, it doesn't work with the idea that it's our choices, not our blood, which is important. I'm also sure I've read an interview with JK Rowling where she was asked this question and she replied: "That would be a bit Star Wars, don't you think?"

Acutally it would work with the idea that it's your choices not your blood that's important. Because Harry would have an evil person's blood but he himself would not be evil because of the choices he made. Not that I support the idea that Harry be related to Voldie on the contrary I think he should not, but I had a point to this post and now I've forgotten it...

durin's bane · 04-28-2003, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Fimbrethil
However if he is not related to Voldie then that leaves a bigger problem...Why did he want to kill Harry in the first place?

Because Voldemort was a murderer who took pleasure in seeing others in pain.

Just because Voldemort tried to kill Harry doesn't mean he did it for a reason!

Fimbrethil · 05-05-2003, 08:40 PM

Ahem! Excuse me but in the first book Domblly-dorr certanilly says there was a reason Harry asks in the first book: "Why did Voldie want to kill me?"Domblly-dorr answers:"Alas the first thing you ask me I cannot tell you. Not today. Not now."
And another thing why would some one work soooooo hard to kill a person who has defeated him 3 times, for no reason?

Fimbrethil · 05-08-2003, 08:43 PM

Why is it that no one ever posts after me? Do I make such stupids points that they aren't worth commenting on or is it because I smell bad?

gimli7410 · 05-08-2003, 09:20 PM

because you call voldemort voldie and dumbledore dommbly dore

Fimbrethil · 05-09-2003, 06:52 AM

I only did that cause Voldiemort is just to long to keep spelling out and the Domblly-dorr thing try looking at what Madam Maxime calls Dombldore in the 4th book.

Legolas · 05-11-2003, 12:25 PM

Yes, Voldemort and Harry are related. Voldemort is Harry's grandfather, Lily's father. Lily was raised by muggles, not knowing about who her father is until only days before she got admitted to Hogwarts. Petunia did not know this at all.

How do I know this? Guess

Elf Girl · 05-11-2003, 12:39 PM

I will bet you the One Ring he's the heir to Voldemort on his father's side. (Remember, Voldy didn't need to kill Lily.)

As I said in the heir to Gryffindor thread:
It would give purpose to Harry's conflict in Book 2 about whether he belonged in Slytherin or Gryffindor. Also, in Book 1 Dumbledore said Harry was "not ready to hear" why Voldemort wanted to kill him. I don't think being the heir of Gryffindor would have such a dramatic effect on Harry that Dumbledore would have to wait, whereas being related to Voldemort definately would.

The day after book five comes out, I will probably be able to say 'I told you so.'

04-19-2003, 03:19 PM	#1
Sylvee Estel Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 115	Is Harry related to Voldemort? My friend and I came up with this theory... Harry could easily be related to Voldemort. I personally think Voldemort could be Harry's grandfather. James Potter's dad. Voldemort should be about 57 years old in book 5. So the age works. This could also explain why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry in the first place. He could have been afraid that Harry would inherit his powers, and eventually overthrow him, or something like that. The only problem with my theory is that Harry should have the same last name as Voldemort, which would be Riddle. So maybe James Potter was adopted, and his last name was changed? Or maybe Voldemort is related to Harry in a different way. Maybe he's his uncle, or something like that? Or maybe, Voldemort is Lily Potter's father. They makes sense too, becuase all the rumors say we will find out something big about Lily in future books. Also, rumors say that Harry's and Lily's green eyes are important. Slytherin's house color is green. Voldemort is an heir to Slytherin...? The only problem with Voldemort being Lily's father is Petunia. Wouldn't she know if her father was a dark lord? Anyway I just thought this was an interesting idea... any thoughts? I know I have way too much time on my hands... __________________ ~Sylvee Last edited by Sylvee Estel : 04-19-2003 at 04:04 PM.

04-19-2003, 06:56 PM	#3
Estel13 RPG-aholic Psycho Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Final Fantasy Posts: 733	shrugs Who knows? Either Petunia's a Squib, or some relative of Vernon's, and that's Voldemort. sniggers Betcha Petunia's a Squib and that's why she hates the wizarding world. __________________

04-19-2003, 07:25 PM	#4
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	harry only has some of voldemorts powers because his curse gave some of the power to harry when he tried to kill harry. i dont think they are related __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

04-22-2003, 09:20 AM	#5
SamwiseGamgeeOTS Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A quaint little hole which last time I checked was somewhere near Ohio, Middle-Earth. Posts: 165	problem.... Harry's mom is a Mudblood...for lack of better words. __________________ "...Eragon recoiled in shock. Standing in front of him, licking off the membrane that encased it, was a dragon."

04-22-2003, 11:34 AM	#6
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	You'd hope that in the several hundred years of writing in the English language after Shakespeare, people would eventually stop using the Surprise Biological Revelation bit... it worked in Star Wars, sure, but I don't see how making Harry and Voldemort related would serve any storytelling purpose - especially in relation to how we see the first four books. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

04-19-2003, 06:15 PM	#2
Galadwen Sapling Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 4	Maybe Petunia was a squib, and she and her sister were raised by other muggles related to magical people?? Just a thought.

04-23-2003, 11:34 AM	#9
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	Well, there's a chance he might, but I don't think so. Harry's just not the evil-type. Sure, he has some of Voldemort's powers, like Parseltongue, but it's because they rubbed off when Harry survived Voldemort's attack. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

04-23-2003, 02:25 PM	#10
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Hey I've got a good idea lets wait till the 5th book comes out to discuss this topic if it needs discussing at all. But I do have a few comments I would like to make. If Harry is in some way related to Voldie then Rowling is a copy cat!!! However if he is not related to Voldie then that leaves a bigger problem...Why did he want to kill Harry in the first place? It obviously isn't a question of his parents because Voldie was all but ready to let them live if they had stood aside. And does anyone know what the 5th book is about? __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

04-24-2003, 10:50 AM	#12
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I'm almost certain Harry is not related to Voldemort. As a plot device, it's tired and boring, and thematically, it doesn't work with the idea that it's our choices, not our blood, which is important. I'm also sure I've read an interview with JK Rowling where she was asked this question and she replied: "That would be a bit Star Wars, don't you think?" __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

05-05-2003, 08:40 PM	#15
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Ahem! Excuse me but in the first book Domblly-dorr certanilly says there was a reason Harry asks in the first book: "Why did Voldie want to kill me?"Domblly-dorr answers:"Alas the first thing you ask me I cannot tell you. Not today. Not now." And another thing why would some one work soooooo hard to kill a person who has defeated him 3 times, for no reason? __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!" Last edited by Fimbrethil : 05-08-2003 at 08:41 PM.

05-08-2003, 08:43 PM	#16
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Why is it that no one ever posts after me? Do I make such stupids points that they aren't worth commenting on or is it because I smell bad? __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

05-08-2003, 09:20 PM	#17
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	because you call voldemort voldie and dumbledore dommbly dore __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

05-09-2003, 06:52 AM	#18
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	I only did that cause Voldiemort is just to long to keep spelling out and the Domblly-dorr thing try looking at what Madam Maxime calls Dombldore in the 4th book. __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

05-11-2003, 12:25 PM	#19
Legolas Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania Posts: 171	Yes, Voldemort and Harry are related. Voldemort is Harry's grandfather, Lily's father. Lily was raised by muggles, not knowing about who her father is until only days before she got admitted to Hogwarts. Petunia did not know this at all. How do I know this? Guess __________________ Legolas - a stupid stubborn elf

05-11-2003, 12:39 PM	#20
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I will bet you the One Ring he's the heir to Voldemort on his father's side. (Remember, Voldy didn't need to kill Lily.) As I said in the heir to Gryffindor thread: It would give purpose to Harry's conflict in Book 2 about whether he belonged in Slytherin or Gryffindor. Also, in Book 1 Dumbledore said Harry was "not ready to hear" why Voldemort wanted to kill him. I don't think being the heir of Gryffindor would have such a dramatic effect on Harry that Dumbledore would have to wait, whereas being related to Voldemort definately would. The day after book five comes out, I will probably be able to say 'I told you so.' __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

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