The Nazgul - Page 2

Ñólendil · 09-01-2002, 04:46 PM

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If you have to touch them how come Merry fainted in Bree, he only saw a Nazgul, I don't think he touched it until after he was unconcious. Maybe it is just much worse if you touch them?

He fainted, but he didn't come down with the Black Breath. He would have been very sick if he had.

nazgul prince · 09-04-2002, 06:56 PM

Afro-elf brought up a good point. Could glamdring kill any of the ringwraiths.Or better yet anduril.Anduril does glow with fire,could it peirce the nazgul's enchantment.I always wanted to see either gandalf or aragorn take on the witch king one on one.

Ñólendil · 09-04-2002, 07:16 PM

The blades of Cardolan that Bombadil gave the Hobbits were enchanted specifically with spells laid for the ruin of Angmar. I think maybe this sort of thing was required to make any of the Nazgûl, or at least the Witch King, vulnerable. After that any blade could kill them, as the ordinary one wielded by Éowyn.

nazgul prince · 09-04-2002, 07:28 PM

Yes true, but who taught the dunadan how to make such weopons>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Noldor Elves >>>>>>>> forged glamdring and reforged narsil/anduril.

Beruthiel · 09-05-2002, 07:33 AM

The Witch King was killed by Eowyn as per Glorfindel's prophesy.

No one seems to be interested as to why only a woman could kill it:

This is rooted in deep mystery! Think of your myths. Woman has the power over life and death. It it her birthright. Tolkien added this into his story as a sort of nod to the old stories of Goddesses of War and Rebirth.

BeardofPants · 09-05-2002, 08:35 AM

Maybe so, but her blade was not able to pierce his ugly hide, until Merry's blade, imbued with specific spells had undone his invulnerability.

Also: you could argue that hobbit does not fall under the mantle of man.

Bertuthiel · 09-05-2002, 02:38 PM

Yah, I always thought it was kind of a cooincidence the Merry should have the right "dagger/blade" at the right time! And to think that the Hobbits carried them so non-chalantly. Could it be the the others might have done more damage on Weathertop, if they had been used correctly? For, didn't Pippin and Sam get one each too?

entss89 · 09-05-2002, 04:46 PM

too manyyyyyyyyyy ????????????????? brainnnnnnnnnnnnnn hurtsssssssssssssssssssss!

no im fine and i think they all have the breath kikin thing going on!

BeardofPants · 09-05-2002, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Bertuthiel
Yah, I always thought it was kind of a cooincidence the Merry should have the right "dagger/blade" at the right time! And to think that the Hobbits carried them so non-chalantly. Could it be the the others might have done more damage on Weathertop, if they had been used correctly? For, didn't Pippin and Sam get one each too?

Coincidence? Perhaps. But remember that the Barrows were within the region of the ancient realm of angmar, and that the barrows were spirits sent out of this realm to inhabit the barrows. During the period of war, there must have been quite a few numenorean blades made specifically to deal with the nazgul in this region; and left there until the Hobbits happened through. Also: remember that the barrow that Frodo was in was rumoured to be that of a King.

BeardofPants · 09-05-2002, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by entss89
too manyyyyyyyyyy ????????????????? brainnnnnnnnnnnnnn hurtsssssssssssssssssssss!

no im fine and i think they all have the breath kikin thing going on!

Was that really necesary?

entss89 · 09-05-2002, 05:23 PM

I GUESS NOT! IM SORRY! I WILL TRY NOT TO DO IT AGAIN

Caleb · 09-05-2002, 05:49 PM

Shame on you.

Elvellon · 09-07-2002, 12:36 PM

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Afro-Elf wrote:
it seems some could resist the fear of the wraiths or was it only the lord who had the fear affect?

was it a matter of will?

aragorn and eowyn seemed resist it

Ñolendil wrote:

I think courage certainly is something that at a certain level can overcome the terror, whatever you believe "courage" is. Eowyn, though, I think she embraced it more than anything else. She welcomed death, she desired "glorious death".

Nah, they just made their saving throws…

afro-elf · 09-08-2002, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by Elvellon
Nah, they just made their saving throws…

I guess elves get the ghost scorn and light of the noldor bonus

Aragorn the Lord of Men Bonus

eowyn the death wishing chick bonus

**crickhollow** · 09-08-2002, 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by Bertuthiel
Yah, I always thought it was kind of a cooincidence the Merry should have the right "dagger/blade" at the right time

Bombadil deserves credit as possessing more foresight than most people think.

Beruthiel · 09-08-2002, 03:14 AM

Bombadil, that's RIGHT! *Cracks her head against the desk* Why didn't I think of that?!
Walks away totally flummoxed.......!!!!

Agburanar · 09-13-2002, 11:19 AM

I think people give the Witch King of Angmar too much credit. All the Nazgul would probably have had Morgul knives (or they missed a trick) and Black breath etc. They were all kings weren't they? They all seemed to have dabbled in sorcery and been snared. I don't believe the Witch King was much more powerful than any other Ringwraith except that his realm is in a better position to assault the North west of Middle Earth (The others are off to the south and west of Mordor).

09-04-2002, 07:16 PM	#3
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	The blades of Cardolan that Bombadil gave the Hobbits were enchanted specifically with spells laid for the ruin of Angmar. I think maybe this sort of thing was required to make any of the Nazgûl, or at least the Witch King, vulnerable. After that any blade could kill them, as the ordinary one wielded by Éowyn. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

09-05-2002, 08:35 AM	#6
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Maybe so, but her blade was not able to pierce his ugly hide, until Merry's blade, imbued with specific spells had undone his invulnerability. Also: you could argue that hobbit does not fall under the mantle of man. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

09-05-2002, 02:38 PM	#7
Bertuthiel Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 14	Yah, I always thought it was kind of a cooincidence the Merry should have the right "dagger/blade" at the right time! And to think that the Hobbits carried them so non-chalantly. Could it be the the others might have done more damage on Weathertop, if they had been used correctly? For, didn't Pippin and Sam get one each too? __________________ Evil were the Cats of Queen Beruthiel. "Max! Zap! Oden, get off me! Agggghhhhh!" Last edited by Bertuthiel : 09-05-2002 at 02:39 PM.

09-05-2002, 05:23 PM	#11
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	HI I GUESS NOT! IM SORRY! I WILL TRY NOT TO DO IT AGAIN

09-05-2002, 05:49 PM	#12
Caleb Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: I'll never tell. Posts: 37	Shame on you. __________________ -Caleb

09-04-2002, 06:56 PM	#2
nazgul prince Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 58	Afro-elf brought up a good point. Could glamdring kill any of the ringwraiths.Or better yet anduril.Anduril does glow with fire,could it peirce the nazgul's enchantment.I always wanted to see either gandalf or aragorn take on the witch king one on one.

09-04-2002, 07:28 PM	#4
nazgul prince Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 58	Yes true, but who taught the dunadan how to make such weopons>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Noldor Elves >>>>>>>> forged glamdring and reforged narsil/anduril.

09-05-2002, 07:33 AM	#5
Beruthiel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 41	The Witch King was killed by Eowyn as per Glorfindel's prophesy. No one seems to be interested as to why only a woman could kill it: This is rooted in deep mystery! Think of your myths. Woman has the power over life and death. It it her birthright. Tolkien added this into his story as a sort of nod to the old stories of Goddesses of War and Rebirth.

09-05-2002, 04:46 PM	#8
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	too manyyyyyyyyyy ????????????????? brainnnnnnnnnnnnnn hurtsssssssssssssssssssss! no im fine and i think they all have the breath kikin thing going on!

09-08-2002, 03:14 AM	#16
Beruthiel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 41	Bombadil, that's RIGHT! Cracks her head against the desk Why didn't I think of that?! Walks away totally flummoxed.......!!!!

09-13-2002, 11:19 AM	#17
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	I think people give the Witch King of Angmar too much credit. All the Nazgul would probably have had Morgul knives (or they missed a trick) and Black breath etc. They were all kings weren't they? They all seemed to have dabbled in sorcery and been snared. I don't believe the Witch King was much more powerful than any other Ringwraith except that his realm is in a better position to assault the North west of Middle Earth (The others are off to the south and west of Mordor). __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

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