Bush addresses the world- Pending War

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-17-2003, 09:35 PM

After discussing this with Ben, we have decided to allow this thread for members to talk about the pending war on Iraq by US led forces. You will discuss the situation intelligently and civilly. Any flaming, or violation of the posting policies will result in immediate closure of this thread, and other possible action.

We are extending this courtesy to you because it is such an important topic that affects us all. Please do not take advatage of this privilege. No flaming, no country bashing, no personal attacks directed toward other members. If you can not control your temper and discuss the topic without flaming, DO NOT post.

Let the discussion begin.

jerseydevil · 03-17-2003, 09:44 PM

Thank you.

Dúnedain · 03-17-2003, 09:50 PM

I only have a few beginning comments, but I would like to put them in the Tolkien perspective of things, just to match what this board is all about

'To Iraq!' the Ents cried in many voices.
'To Iraq!'
To Iraq! Though Iraq be ringed and barred with doors of stone;
Though Iraq be strong and hard, as cold as stone and bare as bone,
We go, we go, we go to war, to hew the stone and break the door;
For bole and bough are burning now, the furnace roars - we go to war!
To land of gloom with tramp of doom, with roll of drum, we come, we come;
To Iraq with doom we come!
With doom we come, with doom we come!

It is about damn time we overthrow this tyrant and free the people of Iraq from this despot!

eowyngirl14 · 03-17-2003, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dúnedain
I only have a few beginning comments, but I would like to put them in the Tolkien perspective of things, just to match what this board is all about

'To Iraq!' the Ents cried in many voices.
'To Iraq!'
To Iraq! Though Iraq be ringed and barred with doors of stone;
Though Iraq be strong and hard, as cold as stone and bare as bone,
We go, we go, we go to war, to hew the stone and break the door;
For bole and bough are burning now, the furnace roars - we go to war!
To land of gloom with tramp of doom, with roll of drum, we come, we come;
To Iraq with doom we come!
With doom we come, with doom we come!

It is about damn time we overthrow this tyrant and free the people of Iraq from this despot!

I like your little poem thingy... I went to a peaceful protest yesterday and this one guy read a really pretty poem called 'Arabian Lulluby'. okay- back on topic...

Coney · 03-17-2003, 09:56 PM

*sigh* Oh well, it's come to this.....such is the way of the world.

It seems that the Royal Marines will be spearheading the attack, I guess that's what they signed up for...[no appropriate smiley].

I don't welcome the war but I still hope the Brits come home safe and sound...Good Luck lads

jerseydevil · 03-17-2003, 10:09 PM

Does anyone really think that Hussein and his sons will go into exile?

Dúnedain · 03-17-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Does anyone really think that Hussein and his sons will go into exile?

Nope, I don't think they will leave, I suspect they will fight to their death to be brutally honest...

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-17-2003, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Coney
*sigh* Oh well, it's come to this.....such is the way of the world.

It seems that the Royal Marines will be spearheading the attack, I guess that's what they signed up for...[no appropriate smiley].

I don't welcome the war but I still hope the Brits come home safe and sound...Good Luck lads

And the Americans die long painful deaths on the sands of Iraq.

Coney · 03-17-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
And the Americans die long painful deaths on the sands of Iraq.

You really want that?....Yeesh, I wanted no-one to die

People are gonna die, but I still hope they don't

Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn · 03-17-2003, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Does anyone really think that Hussein and his sons will go into exile?

absaloutly not. There is no way that they're going to leave. Looks like we're going to war. Im really worried about terrorist attacks, they just raised the alert.
I went to a candlelight vigil for peace last night...i really dont want to go to war

jerseydevil · 03-17-2003, 10:29 PM

ABCNews has been having a new Special - it'll be on until 11:00.

I hope no one dies either. I wish Hussein would just go into excile. I wish he would have turned over his WMD. I wish we wouldn't have been going to war. But I'm a realist - this was the only way to prevent Hussein from continuing his weapons programs and in the future threatening the world.

Now I hope the war goes smoothly - most of the Iraqi army gives up like the last time, that the oil wells don't get blown up, that there aren't any successful terrorist attacks, that Iraq doesn't successfully bomb Israel or any of it's neighbors and that we rebuild Iraq into a free democracy.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-17-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
And the Americans die long painful deaths on the sands of Iraq.

I don't think that's what Coney meant GW. I think we want all the troops British and American to come home safe and sound.

As for Sadam and his sons leaving Iraq: that will not happen. Sadam has been defiant in every way. He will not comply now, not even if it means war. I pity that country. They are in for a terrible beating.

jerseydevil · 03-17-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn
absaloutly not. There is no way that they're going to leave. Looks like we're going to war. Im really worried about terrorist attacks, they just raised the alert.

The raising of the terrorist alert has no meaning in New Jersey. We, along with New York, have been on that alert since 9/11.

The way I look at the alert - whether it's green or red - there is always the chance of a terrorist attack.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-17-2003, 10:33 PM

My point was that rather than hoping that the people of your own nationality don't die, IMO at least, it would be far better to hope that ALL casualties are minimized.

jerseydevil · 03-17-2003, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
My point was that rather than hoping that the people of your own nationality don't die, IMO at least, it would be far better to hope that ALL casualties are minimized.

I knew that's what you were getting at. I was going to stay out of it. The only people I want dead is Hussein, his sons and any hard liners.

Coney · 03-17-2003, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
I don't think that's what Coney meant GW. I think we want all the troops British and American to come home safe and sound.

Exactly......Just because I am anti-war does not mean that I want the death of anyone....I'm mad, but I'm not that mad

The war is going to happen, hopefully with a minimum of casualties on all sides

.....surely that is the hope for all, both pro-action and anti-action???

Gods, I hope so

Millane · 03-17-2003, 10:40 PM

And what about the Aussie SAS troops

just joking i too hope that everyone comes back alive but as is the way with war i know that this wont be the case

as most people would agree i dont like the prospect of war but im not going to go out and have a go at the soldiers for doing there job like what shamefully happened with vietnam...
as for Bush's speech i am just waiting to what happens to those iraqi soldiers that do refuse orders...
i think war is imminent and Saddam will not back down...
i know that warfare has changed in the last 100 years but i just keep thinking WW1 when 'specialists' on the news say it will be over in a few strikes

Coney · 03-17-2003, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
My point was that rather than hoping that the people of your own nationality don't die, IMO at least, it would be far better to hope that ALL casualties are minimized.

Did you honestly think that by wishing UK troops well that I hoped that anyone else would die????????

*shakes head*

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-17-2003, 10:46 PM

No, I did not. Someone who is against war would not be very likely to feel that way. But that is what it sounds like, when you say specifically that you hope that the British come home safely, especially when the movement is being headed by the Americans.

jerseydevil · 03-17-2003, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Millane
And what about the Aussie SAS troops just joking i too hope that everyone comes back alive but as is the case with war i know that this wont be the case

Prime Minister Howard hasn't said whether they were going to participate in military action yet. He was supposed to go to parliment the last thing I heard. I hope none of the allied troops get killed (impossible obviously) - but it is their job to fight wars. Oh - ABCNews just said that PM Howard just announced Australia will fight along side Americans.

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as most people would agree i dont like the prospect of war but im not going to go out and have a go at the soldiers for doing there job like what shamefully happened with vietnam...
as for Bush's speech i am just waiting to what happens to those iraqi soldiers that do refuse orders...

Supposedly during the past weeks there already have been Iraqi soldiers crossing the line and surrendering. They were forced to turn back because they had no place to put them yet. They have to wait until fighting actually starts in order to surrender.

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i think war is imminent and Saddam will not back down...
i know that warfare has changed in the last 100 years but i just keep thinking WW1 when 'specialists' on the news say it will be over in a few strikes

Well that's one thing I'm worried about. City warfare isn't easy - but I think we had TONS of time to plan things out. We also have a huge amount of fire power that Hussein doesn't have.

03-17-2003, 09:35 PM	#1
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Bush addresses the world- Pending War After discussing this with Ben, we have decided to allow this thread for members to talk about the pending war on Iraq by US led forces. You will discuss the situation intelligently and civilly. Any flaming, or violation of the posting policies will result in immediate closure of this thread, and other possible action. We are extending this courtesy to you because it is such an important topic that affects us all. Please do not take advatage of this privilege. No flaming, no country bashing, no personal attacks directed toward other members. If you can not control your temper and discuss the topic without flaming, DO NOT post. Let the discussion begin. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-17-2003, 09:44 PM	#2
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03-17-2003, 09:50 PM	#3
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	I only have a few beginning comments, but I would like to put them in the Tolkien perspective of things, just to match what this board is all about 'To Iraq!' the Ents cried in many voices. 'To Iraq!' To Iraq! Though Iraq be ringed and barred with doors of stone; Though Iraq be strong and hard, as cold as stone and bare as bone, We go, we go, we go to war, to hew the stone and break the door; For bole and bough are burning now, the furnace roars - we go to war! To land of gloom with tramp of doom, with roll of drum, we come, we come; To Iraq with doom we come! With doom we come, with doom we come! It is about damn time we overthrow this tyrant and free the people of Iraq from this despot! __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

03-17-2003, 09:56 PM	#5
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	sigh Oh well, it's come to this.....such is the way of the world. It seems that the Royal Marines will be spearheading the attack, I guess that's what they signed up for...[no appropriate smiley]. I don't welcome the war but I still hope the Brits come home safe and sound...Good Luck lads __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

03-17-2003, 10:09 PM	#6
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Does anyone really think that Hussein and his sons will go into exile? __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-17-2003, 10:29 PM	#11
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	ABCNews has been having a new Special - it'll be on until 11:00. I hope no one dies either. I wish Hussein would just go into excile. I wish he would have turned over his WMD. I wish we wouldn't have been going to war. But I'm a realist - this was the only way to prevent Hussein from continuing his weapons programs and in the future threatening the world. Now I hope the war goes smoothly - most of the Iraqi army gives up like the last time, that the oil wells don't get blown up, that there aren't any successful terrorist attacks, that Iraq doesn't successfully bomb Israel or any of it's neighbors and that we rebuild Iraq into a free democracy. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-17-2003, 10:33 PM	#14
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	My point was that rather than hoping that the people of your own nationality don't die, IMO at least, it would be far better to hope that ALL casualties are minimized. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-17-2003, 10:40 PM	#17
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	And what about the Aussie SAS troops just joking i too hope that everyone comes back alive but as is the way with war i know that this wont be the case as most people would agree i dont like the prospect of war but im not going to go out and have a go at the soldiers for doing there job like what shamefully happened with vietnam... as for Bush's speech i am just waiting to what happens to those iraqi soldiers that do refuse orders... i think war is imminent and Saddam will not back down... i know that warfare has changed in the last 100 years but i just keep thinking WW1 when 'specialists' on the news say it will be over in a few strikes __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free, Last edited by Millane : 03-17-2003 at 10:44 PM.

03-17-2003, 10:46 PM	#19
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	No, I did not. Someone who is against war would not be very likely to feel that way. But that is what it sounds like, when you say specifically that you hope that the British come home safely, especially when the movement is being headed by the Americans. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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