UK Politics - Page 4

**Mari** · 05-21-2008, 02:55 PM

Why would you want to sue mother nature for discrimination against homosexual couples?

inked · 05-21-2008, 03:15 PM

I guess/suppose/conjecture, Mari, that you would for the same reason as your number 650. It is Mother Nature that prohibits absolutely the reproduction of two lesbians. In IVF even should the egg come from one of the lesbian partners, I assure you that neither contributes the sperm required for human reproductiion. So, it seems that Nother Nature is blatantly politically INCORRECT. Should be open for your suit for discrimination, right?

**Mari** · 05-21-2008, 03:31 PM

That's just silly. ^_^

inked · 05-21-2008, 04:01 PM

I agree on both counts, Mari. It is Silly for lesbians to say they reproduce by themselves. And it is Silly for suing either Mother Nature or those opposed to funding that silliness for saying it shouldn't be funded. If one can advocate, one can oppose. See.

**Mari** · 05-21-2008, 04:38 PM

Where did the funding come in?
All Gaff said was that there was someone trying to deny IVF to homosexual couples. I don't know details beyond that statement, so I cannot adequately respond to your post.
But for the record: I think that homosexual couples should have the right to have children, just like heterosexual couples.

The Gaffer · 05-21-2008, 06:52 PM

In the UK, the National Health Service funds IVF for infertile couples, gays and single women. Typically, you get one shot funded by the NHS, then if that doesn't work you have to pay for subsequent attempts. The exact funding situation varies from place to place but that's more or less it.

Thankfully, the NHS is founded on the principle of equal access to all, regardless of ability to pay, or societal prejudice. Sadly, the Conservatives tried to embed their discriminatory instincts into the NHS with this amendment to the government Human Fertilisation and Embryology bill.

I guess it's not so much the "Gays asking for the 'right' to have children" as "Why should someone have the right to deny them access to the technology?"

inked · 05-24-2008, 10:23 PM

Hey Gaffer, should this guy have access to IVF technology at gov't expense? Or just hybrid therapy?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...,000-cars.html

inked · 09-30-2008, 08:51 AM

Ah, Brittania....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ge_a_real.html

"Unless trends change, in just eight years time most babies in Britain will be born outside marriage.

Already the majority of newborns in Wales (52%) and the North East of England (55%)are delivered to parents who are not married. Nationally, the figure for 2007 is 44.3%, having risen from just 8% in 1971..........."

Politics of family?

Nanny-state does NOT equal family!

05-21-2008, 02:55 PM	#1
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Why would you want to sue mother nature for discrimination against homosexual couples? __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

05-21-2008, 03:15 PM	#2
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	I guess/suppose/conjecture, Mari, that you would for the same reason as your number 650. It is Mother Nature that prohibits absolutely the reproduction of two lesbians. In IVF even should the egg come from one of the lesbian partners, I assure you that neither contributes the sperm required for human reproductiion. So, it seems that Nother Nature is blatantly politically INCORRECT. Should be open for your suit for discrimination, right? __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

05-21-2008, 03:31 PM	#3
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	That's just silly. ^_^ __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

05-21-2008, 04:01 PM	#4
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	I agree on both counts, Mari. It is Silly for lesbians to say they reproduce by themselves. And it is Silly for suing either Mother Nature or those opposed to funding that silliness for saying it shouldn't be funded. If one can advocate, one can oppose. See. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

05-21-2008, 04:38 PM	#5
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Where did the funding come in? All Gaff said was that there was someone trying to deny IVF to homosexual couples. I don't know details beyond that statement, so I cannot adequately respond to your post. But for the record: I think that homosexual couples should have the right to have children, just like heterosexual couples. __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

05-21-2008, 06:52 PM	#6
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	In the UK, the National Health Service funds IVF for infertile couples, gays and single women. Typically, you get one shot funded by the NHS, then if that doesn't work you have to pay for subsequent attempts. The exact funding situation varies from place to place but that's more or less it. Thankfully, the NHS is founded on the principle of equal access to all, regardless of ability to pay, or societal prejudice. Sadly, the Conservatives tried to embed their discriminatory instincts into the NHS with this amendment to the government Human Fertilisation and Embryology bill. I guess it's not so much the "Gays asking for the 'right' to have children" as "Why should someone have the right to deny them access to the technology?" Last edited by The Gaffer : 05-21-2008 at 06:54 PM.

05-24-2008, 10:23 PM	#7
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Hey Gaffer, should this guy have access to IVF technology at gov't expense? Or just hybrid therapy? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...,000-cars.html __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

09-30-2008, 08:51 AM	#8
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Ah, Brittania.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ge_a_real.html "Unless trends change, in just eight years time most babies in Britain will be born outside marriage. Already the majority of newborns in Wales (52%) and the North East of England (55%)are delivered to parents who are not married. Nationally, the figure for 2007 is 44.3%, having risen from just 8% in 1971..........." Politics of family? Nanny-state does NOT equal family! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

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